Excuse me, this seat is taken

Dani

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Move along please.

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So, happily I moved along.

I was out deer hunting yesterday. I have an antlerless permit and I have been wanting to fill that tag. I love venison but not enough to sit around and wait on deer with the proper sized head gear. There are lots of does on this property and so I have been excited about pulling this permit. I am perfectly happy to eat a doe.

I got to the field I was going to hunt around. I know there are lots of does that hang out there because I flush them with regularity when I am quail and woodcock hunting. I have also seen some pretty good scrapes there too. I decided to eat my lunch and watch the field. As I was eating, I watched a deer cross the field. With the binoculars it did look like a doe so I watched what she did as I ate my lunch. I watched where she went into the woods, pretty much where I expected, and I never saw her come out. Not that that meant much because she could have just walked directly away from me once she got in the woods and I never would have known. But I have watched deer often enough during my quail escapades and I knew there was a good chance she was in there. So, I finished my sandwich and slowly got my pack and gun and all that fun stuff ready to go. Then I slowly walked the edge of the field to where I saw her go in. It's a pretty spot, lots of acorns, some thick stuff to hide in. I watched and waited and walked slowly but no deer busted out of there. So, I found a log to sit on. About five minutes after I got all settled, I hear some rustling. There are lots of squirrels but I watch anyway and eventually see a deer making its way out of the thicket where I thought it might have been hiding.

Of course my heart begins beating ten thousand miles an hour...so much that I wasn't sure the log wasn't also thrumming with my heartbeat. It sure felt like it. Anyway, the deer was very unconcerned as it wandered its way to me. Zig zagging through the brush. That deer just kept meandering and I couldn't tell for sure buck or doe. I was pretty sure it wasn't a big buck because I couldn't see any obvious headgear. But what is it?!?!?!?!?!?!

After pausing in some super thick grasses that are shoulder high on me and feeding for a while, the deer came back out the way it came. It was only about 30 feet from me and I couldn't see it!!! I was vibrating and telling myself to calm down for cryin out loud! Well, the deer walked into the open and I could see it was a little buck. He had short little spikes. If he had spikes that were less than 5", he would have been legal. I couldn't be certain he was less than 5" and the point of the antlerless permit is to try to cull the does. There are LOTS. So, I let him wander away. He never knew I was there.

I sat for a little while longer and headed to where I had originally planned on going. Yup. There was a nice scrape.

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I also had busted a bunch of deer out of the brush in getting there. I didn't intend to, but it also wasn't surprising. So, I went to find a log to sit on when I found that my spot was already taken. I decided it was best to move on.

I found another spot to sit and wait. I saw some does but they were nowhere in range and not coming my way. I left before the witching hour of sunset because I am not a good tracker at night and I had a very early morning appointment at the hospital this morning. I didn't want to risk losing my deer. I can always come back. On the drive out I saw LOTS of does. A few really big ones. I got to the field next to the check station and there were about a dozen does hanging out in the corner.

In talking with the FWC manager and the check station manager, they were saying that no one ever hunts that field. So, I have a good spot to have a decent chance at a nice doe. I also found out that my permit is actually good all season (through the end of January), not the 13 days that is listed on my permit. The FWC managers are very upset because a lot of people are not aware that the permit is good for the whole season and they need the doe herd culled. Hopefully next weekend though I will be punching my doe tag and I can move on to quail and woodcock hunting there.
 
Good eyes, not sitting on that guy. Or your hospital visit might have moved up a day.

Just curious, you mentioned the deer were out of range? Are you restricted to a shotgun for deer?
 
Dani

Glad you've found a spot with strong potential. That alone makes the time put in worthwhile. Let me ask, how often do you encounter venomous snakes? That cotton mouth looked like he didn't want to share his ground.

Eric
 
You?re lucky it didn?t chase you down as you tried to leave. They do that you know??

Sounds like you found a great spot, good luck! I have the same philosophy on deer hunting. Bucks are nice but a fat doe is just as tasty.
 
Dani, Is that an eastern Diamondback, or a timber rattler?

I know you guys get some monster rattlesnakes in the Keys. I saw a video once where one was big enough to eat rabbits.

Could you bring some buckshot along for your bird hunting and if you scare up a deer, blast it?
 
Its a cottonmouth/water mocassin.

Diamondbacks definitely get big enough to eat rabbits.
 
Carl said:
You?re lucky it didn?t chase you down as you tried to leave. They do that you know??

That is what I have heard. It probably knew that I would trip over my own feet if I had to run away from it and then it would feel honor bound to kill me. So, it likely took pity on me in not coming after me.
 
Todd,

That golden tree snake is a beauty. Sadly, it would not surprise me if those were also found in FL these days.

We do have some big rattlesnakes for sure. Here is a timber rattler I found one turkey season

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He lived to see another day as well...
 
Eric Patterson said:
Let me ask, how often do you encounter venomous snakes? That cotton mouth looked like he didn't want to share his ground.

Eric

Eric,

I actually don't encounter venomous snakes all that often. Or really, other snakes for that matter. I see them more during turkey season probably than any other time of year. Though that may just be because of the nature of my turkey hunting...usually more slow moving through the woods, watching more and sitting more. I don't work the woods like that when quail, woodcock or duck hunting. I don't do much big game hunting but I approach my doe hunt in the same way I do turkey hunting. So, it would not surprise me to see more snakes in this adventure.

I have probably run across more cottonmouths than any other venomous snake in my adventures in the great outdoors in FL, other than perhaps pygmy rattlers. I have not run across an aggressive cottonmouth in my life. Not saying they may not be out there, but so far, I have found them to be pretty docile if you give them space. I have almost stepped on them, watched one of my dogs quasi mess with one (that was Kenzie, my "genius" toller who I felt was too old to snake break when I got Drake snake proofed) and I have walked right past them while they sit on little islands or in the water, well within striking distance (some of those were pointed out to me after I had passed the snakes by, some I noticed when I was almost past them). None of those snakes ever made any move towards me or my dog. This one, I definitely would not have noticed had I not been stepping too close to him and he opened his mouth to warn me off. When I backed off a step, he shut his mouth and went back to watching me. When I took his picture, I leaned in a little and he opened his mouth at me but as soon as I leaned away he shut it again. He never uncoiled.

I can only think of a handful of times when I have seen rattlesnakes while out hunting, other than pygmys. For some reason, I see a lot of pygmys.
 
You?re lucky never encountering one. You?re also more generous than I am.. I terminate venomous snakes with extreme prejudice. Seen too many bad snake bites
 
Love the snake photo, that is a great one. I haven't been around cottonmouths and don't really plan to.. :). When I first got back to WY in November, I was checking where I stepped, even though there was snow on the ground :).


Good luck getting yourself a tasty freezer filler. I hardly deer hunted this fall and miss it to some extent (love-hate relationship). I plan to get back to CT and hopefully can get out with the muzzleloader and then off to Michigan to the inlaws and will have an antlerless tag there.


We have some awesome yard deer at the new house, so I'm loving that. The lawn is irrigated and some of the best feed around, so they stack in there tight to the house. No season open now, so they are pretty tame.


Yesterday afternoon in the snow. I knew these guys were around - I had seen them earlier, but didn't know where they were until I left to go to town and found them bedded just out of sight of the house next to the driveway.
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Dorky forky
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This guy is always around at night
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This guy was around a lot when I first got here, but he relocated a bit down the road. See him a lot with the ladies.
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This larger one stays down in the river bottom across the road, never comes to visit.
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I assume you know that was a joke?
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I have been working as a wildlife biologist/ecologist for 30+ years. And hunting in snake county for 35 years.
And I know a pile of hunters and field ecologists/biologist who also work in this "snake infested" part of the world.
Not one single one of them has been bit by a venomous snake in these past 30+ years.
I know of only one instance of a person being struck (but not bitten).
I've stepped over 2 rattlers, even dropped a bundle of flagging on one right next to me. None struck or acted aggresive other than rattling. Most Ive seen stay still and hope you pass on by.

Most snake bites result from "hold my beer and watch this" events.
 
Tod

I'll raise you some elk for your mules. These were loitering in my yard yesterday morning.

Dani, you can keep your venomous snakes.
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Geez Tod, Brad.....I think my deer now have a complex...little bitty things that they are.

I have lawn deer too. They love my flowers. It's tough finding flowers and plants for the front yard they won't eat.
 
Dani said:
Geez Tod, Brad.....I think my deer now have a complex...little bitty things that they are.

I have lawn deer too. They love my flowers. It's tough finding flowers and plants for the front yard they won't eat.

Dani, Just teasing you on the deer. I have many a day in CT where I have deer in the driveway when I'm coming home from hunting. I didn't know you big game hunted (other than gators) - nothing better than a full freezer - good luck!

Brad, I haven't seen an elk from the house yet, but I hear it is winter range for them here. The tall fences that the neighbors have on their hay indicates so as well.
 
Actually, this is probably the first time I have dedicated any time seriously to big game. I went out a couple times looooong time ago (like think when Dave Parks was around) muzzleload hunting for deer on a permit I pulled. I have shot pigs, but they are usually incidental...like while I am duck or quail hunting. And they are close enough to kill easily even with bird shot. So, this is actually the first time I have dedicated any real time to chasing a deer. I could have shot a nice deer once while duck hunting, even with #4 shot I could have ethically killed him. But that spot was archery only for deer. All the other deer I have killed (5 of them) have been with the FJ.
 
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