Are you kiddin me ??

Gary Lee

Gary Lee

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Just opened Yahoo, and saw that an Olympic Skater is getting Flak over wearing fur. I'm not sure what y'alls views are on such things. But to me it upsets me in a big way. Where does it end? Can't wear silk due to the terrible things that are done to the silk worms in order to make it? I could go on and on about this topic, but I won't go there. But I will say this .... I don't believe I'm liked on this site too well ... But I know that everyone on here is an outdoorsman (woman). We spend money in many ways to help preserve the animals we hunt, and dearly love(more so than the ones who are fighting to take our RIGHTS). The majority of t. You may not agree in trapping or hunting for fur, that's your choice. The majority of people that look down upon us have not spent a single day afield, but still judge us for our actions. The older I get the more I see the outdoor community split. Some agree with no mechanical decoys, no high fences, no baiting, etc. And although I'm sure you have your own "standards" as I do. We need to stand as one, and stand strong. Three words to make you think ..... Divide and conquer.
 
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But I will say this .... I don't believe I'm liked on this site too well ... But I know that everyone on here is an outdoorsman (woman).
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Huh?

Gary, You registered 12 days ago, give no location and give no additional info in your profile. Whats to like or not like about you? I don't understand your statement. If some one were to ask me if I disliked you, I would not be able to even answer the question.
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I wished I looked that good when I was 50, mind you my little grandaughter tells me she loves me.
take care and God Bless
Eddie.
Its all about Building that Bond.
 
"I don't believe I'm liked on this site too well"
You haven't been here long enough to know that one way or another. You might not be getting many responses but that's not too unusual until you get more of a rapport built up.

Some of the funniest things I ever saw was when Aretha Franklin would show up to big political events when Clinton was president covered in furs. And it takes a lot of furs to cover her. She didn't care that many of the people there didn't care for her attire.
Fur, one of the best renewable resources out there.

Tim
 
I dont beleive Im liked on this site to well.
Gary it seems to me that you are trying to judge the book by its cover, all has I can say is. dont try to put the cart before the horse and try and get to know people first. Since coming on this forum I have made a lot of good friends, so give people a chance first, before you jump to that conclution.
take care and God Bless
Eddie
Its all about Building that Bond
 
Given the amount of "effort" expended on your behalf just to get you registered, (because you didn't follow directions either on the sign up or the authorization), given that you chose not to add any personal information after I told you what the "likely" response to that would be, given the fact that photos have been posted on your behalf, and that everytime you have said...."someobody post pictures of this rig, or that decoy".... you have received multiple responses, given that youu've recieved an invitation to hunt without even having posted your REAL NAME, I'd personally like to see what you "justification" is for statiing that you "aren't liked here".....

Steve
 
WAS DEER HUNTING IN MN WITH MY DAD AND CAME ACROSS A OTTER IN A JAW TRAP . WE THOUGHT ABOUT PUTTING IT OUT OF IT'S SUFFERING .BUT AS WE GOT CLOSER THE DAM THING WENT APE SHIT AND GOT OUT .REALLY DON'T LIKE TO SEE ANY ANIMAL SUFFER .AND WHO CARES IF YOUR NOT LIKED THIS AIN'T A LONELY HEARTS CLUB JUST A BUNCH OF GUYS WITH THERE OWN OPINION .

Chances are what you were going to do would be illegal in your state.
 
With the modern day elimination of nest protecting quality habitat and the unnatural balance of fewer large predators replaced by smaller nest robbing, hen killing predators. I find it hard to believe that waterfowlers would be less then supportive of people that actively are involved in controlling the predation of nesting waterfowl and brood.

As for the perceived idea that traps are animal mutilating devices of torture could not be farther from the truth. The whole point of trapping is to render trapped game intact and in good condition due to the fact that a lost leg results in a lost pelt.

And like previously mentioned farmers and there agents are often NOT the people you would be wanting to due the animal control. They are often to busy to check properly and at least in Oregon have much more liberal rules on the frequency that they are required to check traps or snares. And when you are controlling number dead is dead don't matter how or when that death occurs.

We could always bring back the less then discriminate use of poisons!?

Chris
 
I wonder how many of these anti's have eaten something or used something from one of those mega farms were the meat on the hoof have not been targeted by these people. I think it is just another con-game to get money out of wealthy widows.

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Fur is a renewable resource. People-wildlife conflicts have increased and trappers provide a service to help alleviate the conflicts. Plus trappers buy licenses from the state. The other option would be to hire an animal damage control specialist (ie: pay them). Depending on the situation, these animal damage control specialists may dispatch the animals they catch and may not be allowed to utilize any part of it (the whole animal is discarded). As has been said, most trappers are ethical people who care about wildlife.

Some people think that synthetic materials are better. Aren't a lot of synthetic materials petroleum-based? How many people have died over oil? Oops, did I just get into politics as well?
 
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nothing to do with ducks?... it does. Are any of you members of Delta Waterfowl? Predator trapping is a large part of their program and research. About 75% of the hunted ducks in NA comes from the prairie pothole region of NA. Without the trapping of furbearers the success rate of a hen to raise a brood drops off substantially. You ask Phil if he leaves his cripple ducks for a day or kills them immediately. I can honestly say I make an effort to kill cripples as fast as I can. However there are times that a cripple gets away, or flys half a mile and lands crippled unable to fly again. That duck will suffer far longer than a coon, beaver, fox, ermine or other furbearer would in a trap. I would give trappers the benefit of due diligence more often than I would most hunters. Hunting and trapping are not apples and oranges they are tangerines and oranges and many times tangelos. You say to ask a vet if that otter suffered. Well how about asking a vet about a hunting dog that has steped in a badger hole and tears an ACL or a hunting dog that finds a barbwire fence. Should that hunter quit hunting because the dog had to suffer? Don’t justify being against trapping because of bycatch. I don’t favor the end of recreational fishing because an out of season fish may be caught and die or suffer because it was foul hooked.

I enjoy being outside. I like hunting, fishing, and have taken up part time trapping over the last year. What I do, could be called trapping for sport or recreational trapping. I don’t make a living off of it, heck I am way more in the red than I thought it would be. But just because fur bearers are one of the few game creatures that can be harvested and sold of cash money does not mean if you can’t do so for a living it is not justifiable. I am sure there are plenty of people on here who have hunting lease or have even bought land or a place to stay for hunting in another state.

What I am trying to say is hunting fishing and trapping are not apples, oranges and cherries they are oranges, lemons and tangerines that are grafted and all grow from the same tree. The similarities far out number the differences. I am not saying everyone should take up trapping or other kinds of hunting or deep sea fishing but it does an individual, no good to discredit the other and say they are not comparable and thus not worth defending.
 
They are worth money and that is why. They sold on average at the last auction for $40.85 and top went for $55. I find it hard to believe you are using cuteness as a reason to not pursue a legal game species. You may not want to or have the desire to but if it is legal to hunt fish or trap something, if taken in a legal manner I have no problem with any harvest.

However, generally speaking, I do have a problem with gluttens that steal fur and traps, take over their limit of birds fish and big game, dont pursue wounded game or just have the audacity to tell me I am less of an outdoorsman because I hunt with plastic decoys, post land, trap, mix camo patterns, grew up in another state or drive a chevrolet. It is that stupid progressive way of thinking. Do as I say not as I do because I know what is best for YOU.
 
Otters could make a cute coat. Beavers and mink do too. Deer are cute, but taste petty good. Ducks and geese are pretty. The money from hunting and trapping help the dnr establish wildlife. If you do nether no money goes towards the conservation and management of wildlife, unless you make a donation. I enjoy hunting regardles of my harvest. I do enjoy the bonus of harvest. Trapping could be just as enjoyable but to do both at the same time is hard. Trapping is work. John
 
I know quite a few guys that do make a living off of trapping to this day. I'm not saying it is strictly from the money derived from animals. A lot of them are either in the ADC business or sell trapping supplies / videos / provide instruction / write professionally for publictaions, etc. If somebody plays there cards right they could make a living from trapping the same as a guide does for taking hunters to the ducks. Its all about being diverse and your marketing skills these days. Even back in the day the guys that were making a living off of trapping were doing other sideline businesses as well.

I still trap and actually have plans this weekend to go after some real blanket beaver that Steve mentioned in another post...no moose in PA ;-)

Steve
 
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like i said i value it as a management tool but if my dog gets caught in a conibear the trapper will know what the word AMBUSH means
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I hope that is a joke. would you AMBUSH a farmer if your dog shreds its chest on a barbwire fence?
 
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