Bankes vs. TDB

Ben Lambert

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In the market for new Rig this year. I’ve spent a lot of time hunting from a friends TDB classic 17 and really like it but as I’ve been searching I also really like the looks of the Bankes Boats. Hoping for opinions from guys who have hinted from both rigs. All help and opinions are greatly appreciated.
 
Do you intend to hunt from the boat over decoys or use it primarily as a tender for layout hunting, with some marsh set-ups?
 
Bankes hulls provide excellent performance in rough water from a heavy chop on up to big rollers. You have to hold a TDB at just under planning speed when heavily loaded in big seas, but they handle them well, producing a little more spray. Build quality of both boats is now excellent again, with TDB producing bagged hulls and deck components, which reduces weight, but also maximizes laminate strength and quality by reducing resin volume and bubbles, versus hand lay-up. TDB has returned to using Kevlar (Aramid 49) in their bow construction lay-up, so both hulls will handle breaking sea ice well. TDB's materials used in the hull and transom build is top-notch, as is Bankes. As a Boston Whaler geek, I appreciate the production process Bankes uses to make hulls: strong hull construction that spreads loads over more surface area via the foam core injection production. TDB has improved their blind frame, using a thicker tubing on the blind frame runs. Blind construction is a wash, with a slight nod to TDB for using a new Cordura 1000D Mil-Spec that is Berry Amendment compliant. IF TDB opts to change their rain-roof zippers to install two-way #10 separating units(you can do this yourself via purchase of a pair of YKK Dual-Pull #10 separating pulls, two top stops, and a stint on Youtube to understand how to re-fit the zipper pulls to make them two-way units), I would give their blind the edge, since you can then un-zip each end to open-up the cockpit to gun, while still keeping the blind closed in inclement weather and providing concealment from over-head incoming birds. Wiring quality is the same, both in materials and how the runs are set-up.

I would give the nod to TDB in terms of the hull's ability to set and pull decoys over the bow in a heavy wind. I think it is where the keelsons "die" on a Bankes, but they are nearly impossible to hold "bow-on" in a wind, blowing away one way or another, making setting longlines a pure pain. I appreciate the Bankes great beam width for its improvement in the rough water ride capability, but that also equates to making pulling and resetting anchors a chore, since you have to really lean-out and work via your upper body muscles to lift the last ten feet of rode and clear the grassing rails in the bow. The same holds true for pulling longline rigged decoys, since they routinely catch on the hull-deck junction lip and the grassing rails which extend too far forward in the bow to be of any real use.

If you are going to add a boarding ladder, do it yourself, rather than using the Garelick unit that Bankes offers as an option. Both boats have good dog ladders as an option ( I said good, not great). It is nearly impossible to add a transducer to a Bankes, post-production, that will work when the boat is underway, so get it done in the build process.

Both hard storage covers are comparable quality now, with the bag technology lowering the weight on the TDB from that of the Classic 17' ( I own a Classic 17' with a Honda 50hp on it that I have completely refurbished, right down to a new blind just added) you are used to.

Hope this helps...

I just checked TDB's website, they are offering a demo boat with a Suzuki 50hp tiller and trailer at an excellent price. Suzuki makes some of the best 4-strokes out there now, reliable, gas sippers.
 
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I have had two Bankes boats. A dominator and now a Freedom. They are excellent. Incredible well built, tough as nails, really smooth ride, warm blind, hide very well. We fish from mine a lot and it works great. I’m actually trying to figure out how to mount a remote trolling motor on the bow.

MynFreedom is actually overkill for the rough waves we usually encounter on the Ohio river but I hunted alone in it last season in ugly weather and they are just super safe boats. Good luck
 
Are you a sales person for TDB? Just wondering.
Phil

RLLigman said:
Bankes hulls provide excellent performance in rough water from a heavy chop on up to big rollers. You have to hold a TDB at just under planning speed when heavily loaded in big seas, but they handle them well, producing a little more spray. Build quality of both boats is now excellent again, with TDB producing bagged hulls and deck components, which reduces weight, but also maximizes laminate strength and quality by reducing resin volume and bubbles, versus hand lay-up. TDB has returned to using Kevlar (Aramid 49) in their bow construction lay-up, so both hulls will handle breaking sea ice well. TDB's materials used in the hull and transom build is top-notch, as is Bankes. As a Boston Whaler geek, I appreciate the production process Bankes uses to make hulls: strong hull construction that spreads loads over more surface area via the foam core injection production. TDB has improved their blind frame, using a thicker tubing on the blind frame runs. Blind construction is a wash, with a slight nod to TDB for using a new Cordura 1000D Mil-Spec that is Berry Amendment compliant. IF TDB opts to change their rain-roof zippers to install two-way #10 separating units(you can do this yourself via purchase of a pair of YKK Dual-Pull #10 separating pulls, two top stops, and a stint on Youtube to understand how to re-fit the zipper pulls to make them two-way units), I would give their blind the edge, since you can then un-zip each end to open-up the cockpit to gun, while still keeping the blind closed in inclement weather and providing concealment from over-head incoming birds. Wiring quality is the same, both in materials and how the runs are set-up.

I would give the nod to TDB in terms of the hull's ability to set and pull decoys over the bow in a heavy wind. I think it is where the keelsons "die" on a Bankes, but they are nearly impossible to hold "bow-on" in a wind, blowing away one way or another, making setting longlines a pure pain. I appreciate the Bankes great beam width for its improvement in the rough water ride capability, but that also equates to making pulling and resetting anchors a chore, since you have to really lean-out and work via your upper body muscles to lift the last ten feet of rode and clear the grassing rails in the bow. The same holds true for pulling longline rigged decoys, since they routinely catch on the hull-deck junction lip and the grassing rails which extend too far forward in the bow to be of any real use.

If you are going to add a boarding ladder, do it yourself, rather than using the Garelick unit that Bankes offers as an option. Both boats have good dog ladders as an option ( I said good, not great). It is nearly impossible to add a transducer to a Bankes, post-production, that will work when the boat is underway, so get it done in the build process.

Both hard storage covers are comparable quality now, with the bag technology lowering the weight on the TDB from that of the Classic 17' ( I own a Classic 17' with a Honda 50hp on it that I have completely refurbished, right down to a new blind just added) you are used to.

Hope this helps...

I just checked TDB's website, they are offering a demo boat with a Suzuki 50hp tiller and trailer at an excellent price. Suzuki makes some of the best 4-strokes out there now, reliable, gas sippers.
 
RLLigman said:
I would give the nod to TDB in terms of the hull's ability to set and pull decoys over the bow in a heavy wind.

Rick,
I have never hunted from an open water boat blind, so this comment has me curious. How do you set decoys over the bow? Are these decoys individually anchored, not on long lines? I have had a layout rig since the mid '70's and regardless of wind strength we have always set the rig (longlines) by driving the boat downwind while throwing decoys over the gunnel on one side or the other. When the last decoy on a line goes out, we hang on to the downwind anchor long enough to pull the slack out of the line and drop it over. Then we motor back to the upwind end of the rig and repeat the process until all ten lines are out. Setting decoys over the bow is a foreign concept to me.

By the way, though I'm not familiar with either of these boats, I thought your critique of the boats was interesting and seemed pretty even-handed to me.
 
This habit is a hold-over from my fish biologist days on the Great Lakes. Other than deploying an otter trawl, we always set out gear by backing downwind, which keeps the props well away from any lines or net while setting, and also enables the boat to counter heavy waves better than having the transom exposed to a following sea. By always picking-up into the wind and deploying by backing away downwind, you keep your prop. clear and maximize your response time if something doesn't go right.

I toss a piece of scrap cordura out on the foredeck to cover the bow lights, fairleads and bow cleats on my TDB.

You simply remove the front blind panel top frame and drop it onto the foredeck/cockpit and set your, now attached, longline anchors on either side of the decoys and position the boat's bow to back away from the wind. If you get a tangle, the setter informs the helmsman to stop or tap the motor back into gear and run-up the line. The prop. remains as far as possible away from your longlines and the helmsman has a clearer picture of where he wants to place the birds relative to those on the water. The wind does most of the work and bow remains pointed directly into it or slightly off to one side or the other. Because the Bankes hulls have no raised keel and the keelsons grade too quickly into the planning pad, wind gets under that sharp bow entry angle of the hull which improves the ride, but in this application serves to amplify the effects of wind due to surface area exposed, pushing the bow one way or the other despite whatever the helmsman does to counter this. If your longline is running out on the port side and the wind blows the bow over to port hard, the setter has no option other than to continue to drop birds that get run over by the bow-pretty hard on decoys.

If you look at any of the Bankes promotional videos Michael talks specifically about the transom angle providing optimal entry when backing up while picking up decoys. I cringe, since the prop. is feet from dangling lines. If you have ever had a line tangle around your prop., you know what a dangerous situation this creates. Picking up decoys this way invariably pounds the crap out of the motor cowling as well. I also forgot to mention that Bankes' blind frames are black powder coated, while the TDB frames remain bare aluminum...I powder coated mine. TDB uses metal hammock hooks on their decoy compartment bungee runs, versus plastic on the Bankes boats...longterm an advantage. I also suggested that the TDB folks switch from GSI buckles to Nexus buckles on the blinds, since the female housings on Nexus buckles are nearly crush-proof due to some added internal supports. It's the little things, in composite, that make a boat better for the sport we opt to pursue.

Bankes makes a very good duck boat...no boat is perfect for duck hunting in all applications. Simply offering superlatives, since you own a particular hull, doesn't convey much when attempting to communicate those specific features which distinguish the boat's characteristics from its competitors.
 
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