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Something that makes me cringe
Am I the only one?

Just watched a clip of some early season hunting in Saskatchewan. The "boss" in the group yells "kill em" to signal the shot. Every time I see a clip like that I feel more than a tad uncomfortable. Is it machismo or just honesty? To me the hunt is about so much more than "killing".
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I have to agree with you. "Takem" always worked for us. And we didn't "stackem" either.

Take care,

Ed L.
East Moline,
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It why I basically dont watch hunting videos.
That plus i have much better memories in my mind.


Carl
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There is a severe lack of Class & Respect in much of the modern version of "hunting and waterfowling" that taints us all. Selling products, etc., and all the BS will kill the golden goose.

I thank God that I saw many years of Hunting and Waterfowling before things got twisted, and the animals and birds we love became the enemy.


Like Carl I have many wonderful memories.

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I've never felt that hunting is a spectator sport. These videos also leave me feeling "uneasy".

Call me "old fashioned", but video cams are discouraged in my blind. Just memories, and perhaps a few still photos.

Matt
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I think personal cams are great Capture the hunt. I wish I would have had cam's earlier, and was better at using them. Not having cam earlier in my hunting career means that I don't have video of retrieves of dogs gone by.

That being said, I guess I never say "Kill 'em" but I don't have to because I generally hunt by myself... and I usually don't listen to the other voices in my head. I dislike the idea of not know what bird I shot.. . or the idea of having 3+ guns going off in the blind at once.

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 I like a lot of the hunting programs, but some are a little over the top. Sounds like madison avenue producers trying too hard. The screaming, killem yahoos bother me.
A bunch of the shows are great, then we have the others. There was a duck hunting show years ago the turned to a Soap Opera. JMO,,,
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Carl ~


Very well said.


I do not watch many videos of duck shooting - for lots of reasons - but I've yet to see one that shows the wonderful "proceedings" as I see them my mind and remember them in my lifetime treasury of experiences.


All the best,


SJS

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The only show I have enjoyed watching about duck hunting is the primos videos. I haven't watched any recently since they stopped making the duck hunting dvds but they did show a respect to the birds and you could tell that it was more than just killing.

I fear for the my generation and my sons because of the extremes that we have coming now days. Some people are desensitized and just kill while others put more value on the animals than on people




Benjamin Pendleton
Northeast N.C.
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 The one's I really hate are the 8-10 guys sky blasting flocks and watching many birds falling all over. I like to shoot with 2=3 guys the most.Love to watch then in the water right next to the boat, that's hunting...
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Paul Meisenheimer wrote:
Am I the only one?

Just watched a clip of some early season hunting in Saskatchewan. The "boss" in the group yells "kill em" to signal the shot. Every time I see a clip like that I feel more than a tad uncomfortable. Is it machismo or just honesty? To me the hunt is about so much more than "killing".


Maybe I need to watch this specific show for a better understanding but my 2 cents... I believe you might be overthinking it as the goal when the birds are in range is to "kill em", otherwise, you're not duck hunting but bird watching, right? I've never thought about what I or others say when it's time to shoot but it's usually variants of "shoot", "get em", "kill em", "now" or "take em" and all of which essentially translate into "kill em". Am I off base?
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I'm with you Captain! Up close, one or two shooters, birds decoying, that's hunting.

I love Phil's comments about the voices. Best not to listen to them. I have had many great solo hunts but on big water prefer to have company.

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Paul Meisenheimer: Sep 10, 2018, 7:24 AM
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KThompson wrote:
Maybe I need to watch this specific show for a better understanding but my 2 cents... I believe you might be overthinking it as the goal when the birds are in range is to "kill em", otherwise, you're not duck hunting but bird watching, right? I've never thought about what I or others say when it's time to shoot but it's usually variants of "shoot", "get em", "kill em", "now" or "take em" and all of which essentially translate into "kill em". Am I off base?


It wasn't a show... it was a short (30 second max.) clip on Facebook posted by a group I follow as a friend used to scout for them... many guns and it was raining ducks. My friend has since parted company with them. Not my cup of tea. Nor is "kill em". Maybe it is just me. Now make no mistake, I have killed my share of ducks over the last 45 years of hunting them. Just not like that.
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Paul - Ah, I didn't pick up on the large numbers of hunters and ducks raining down part of your comment, rather focused on the comment he made. To be honest, living and hunting public land in AL for majority of my life gives me no perspective of those types of waterfowling opportunities... if we have 3 ppl in a party and can decoy and kill 3 birds from a group we're high-fiving :)
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Paul - Ah, I didn't pick up on the large numbers of hunters and ducks raining down part of your comment, rather focused on the comment he made. To be honest, living and hunting public land in AL for majority of my life gives me no perspective of those types of waterfowling opportunities... if we have 3 ppl in a party and can decoy and kill 3 birds from a group we're high-fiving :)


Yeah, I probably wasn't clear about that. I hunt the Canadian prairies. Most hunts are too short. We like to make it challenging by only hunting one species or only drakes.
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I haven't watched hunting videos for probably 10 years or more, I have viewed a couple you tube clips in the recent years though. I also have never been in a "raining ducks" situation. I used to say "Go" but I quickly found out that it sounds too much like when I say "No". Now I simply say "Wait....Wait........Wait...........take em". I'm sure I've said "kill em" as well, I guess at that point the anticipation is so high that nobody cares what I say as long as it's not "WAIT"!

Safe season's to all.

Troy
"Pass the Tradition Along"
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From personal experience in Sask & Manitoba. In my opinion the hunt is in all the hours driving, following the birds, meeting landowners, getting permission, sharing meals, etc.

Then it' s a shoot many of the times, that can be over very quickly.

That is when the true test of a hunter, and who they are becomes clear. Slob, game hog, or ethical hunter...


Most times only 2 hunters, max of four, is how we felt was correct for our group.


I agree with Paul. If you spend lots of time up there, making it a challenge lets you sleep better at night.

It appeared that the less time "hunters" spent there, (those that did not drive to get there) the more out of control things can go. All the work is done for them, and in awe, they just shoot. That is what they pay the big $$$$'s for. The experience is what they make it.


The worst we saw were over a hundred of Snow & Ross geese left in ditches to rot. Even after a lengthy investigation no one was apprehended.


There is a difference between hunting and killing. No explanation needed.











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Being somewhat layer up for the past several months, and having 4 seperate "outdoor-type" channels on my satellite TV package, I have certainly seen my share of hunting shows this summer. I just told my wife the other day, I am tired of watching these shows as they've all turned into either commercials for some particular place, lodge guide service, ammunition, clothing, or other related merchandise OR they've simply become shows a bout killing truckloads of ducks. The biggest turn off for me was, during a taped show, the host emphatically stated it IS all about the killing. He's not happy unless he's killing ducks. That really turned me off. As previously stated, while we certainly do intend on killing game when we hunt, I truly believe the kill is anticlimactic. There should be a LOT more to it than just killing things. Spending time in God's great wonder we like to call the outdoors, spending time with friends and family, maybe with our trusty canines, or perhaps alone. And then the anticipation, preperations, and all that goes into al of that, but certainly more than just the "killing"

If all you want to do is kill, maybe a job in a slaughterhouse would be a little more appropriate.

Just my $.02 worth...

Jon

"Each decoy you touch holds memories of, past, present and God Willing, future hunts. The places, birds, men, boats, dogs and days you spent doing what you so dearly love and enjoy"- Vince Pagliaorli
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I agree with Paul. If you spend lots of time up there, making it a challenge lets you sleep better at night.

There is a difference between hunting and killing. No explanation needed.


Vince, I have the luck to live in Alberta. I am surrounded by prime hunting opportunities and what would I do with all those ducks? :)

Unfortunately I don't have as much time as I would like to hunt. I am out of action right now and I'm not sure when I will be able to get out this year. I am limited to listening to my friends discuss their hunting. I have a friend who sends trail cam pictures of massive bucks, elk and moose every week. This week's treat was a bear that licked the lens of the trail cam. It was very curious.
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Paul -

You are indeed blessed to live where you do. I can only imagine all the hunting and fishing opportunities... Man O Man to be young again.

Sorry to here that you are out of action. I hope that you improve as fast as possible. It is good that you have friends that keep you up to date on wildlife, and their hunting adventures.

With so many opportunities and so little time, how does one decide?


I have never been a fan of trail cams,(guess it's from running into so many of them when out and about) but some of my friends are. When they show me the images from their cams many times I can see the animals knowing and interacting with the camera. I must admit some of the photo's are very entertaining.

Makes me smile and shake my head. In my world there are No Dumb Animals, just not so smart human beings. Your bear story is a good one.

Yesterday a friend showed me all the trail cam photo's on his smart phone. One image really got my attention, a Fisher. Not happy at all about the trail cam and vanished in a blink of an eye.











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I won't hunt with guys who provide updates and share pics on the public web. It has ruined some of spots for my big game hunting.

I have hunted with guys that are into the diy hunts and record. It was obvious that they were only trying to impress people online.

I am trying to get the memories of the hunt with a camera now that I got a kid old enough. the best shots I got are not of the kills! It does get old just looking at dead things in a photo album.





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Agreed Paul
As usual you and I have the same opinion.
I've never understood the "blood lust" mentality of some hunters and I know more than a few.
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In this I would include:
Grinding
Stacking
Sky Carp
Spelling the number shot with the game
The prevalence of "Team" names
The over-the-top usage of heavy metal music
The never ending slo-mo editing of the shot strike

Ultimately, in my opinion, the change in filming hunts is the self-aggrandizement of the ego. It follows the earlier comment that the game is the enemy.

It seems the video generation has either slowed hunter development or made observable only a portion of the 6 stages of hunter development. The people between levels 1 and 3 have taken over the media relations. Levels 4-6, epitomized by the likes of Grits Gresham, Tony Dean, et al, have not adopted current media trends with the same gusto. Where as the Shooters, Limit Hunters, and Trophy Hunters have adopted these trends with zeal.
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I never enjoyed hunting with more than one other person. Waterfowling for me is more personal. I like the opportunity
to talk to my buddy or son or daughter. I'm not into big groups of hunters. We even take turns shooting so no one has to "jump the gun' to be the first to shoot at a bird., plus I enjoy watching the other guy shoot and we can more readily mark the downed bird. I think the marketing aspect of hunting equipment drives the ideology behind theses videos. As always the commercialization/ marketing brings out the worst. I view the videos as more of a commercial then anything else.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XK1xEgADLqY

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https://www.youtube.com/...huSQxwX4FEA&t=9s

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Nothing like the north wind pushing snow at your back, a bird in your hand, and chessie with ice on his coat at your side.

Birds brought to you courtesy of Nikon, Benelli, Kodi, and Otter