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The TDB-21' build has been initiated
I thought I would post this as a heads up. Olsen Marine, the new east coast based owner of The Duck Boat Company, has started their infusion bag molding build of the new TDB-21'. There were not molds developed for the boat's interior panels, only templates which require custom lay-up and individualization of each hull build...interesting to watch the progression to finished product. This hull is specifically configured for open water use, not a bay boat design approach. If interested, go to their Facebook site for pictures and progress updates.

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RLLigman: Mar 21, 2018, 5:12 AM
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It was posted on FB earlier this week.
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Since this will be a full foam core duck boat, with no wood stringers or interior braces in the build, and the interior done via custom lay-up, I am quite curious to view its progression all the way to completion and launch.
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I called dibs on hull #1😁
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They were offering a good package price for boat motor and trailer. The powerhead is a Suzuki 150hp, which is a top-notch four stroke unit.

I would just like to get out and finish fitting my new blind. I am still debating whether to replace the GTI buckles right now with Nexus Mil-spec units.
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Saw this on Shermie Clarke's Canadian Waterfowlers page.

Posting the link :
https://www.facebook.com/theduckboatcompany/videos/1612185208830820/


Bob


MLBob

"Art is like an ill-trained Labrador retriever that drags you out into traffic." (Annie Dillard)

....Here's to Joe Wooster, who made me realize that the useful could and should be beautiful; and who firmly believed that decoy carvers were the last free men in America.

https://www.facebook.com/KOOIdecoy?ref=hl

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Thanks, Bob, I divided the standard bow compartment on my TDB-17' into three spaces via fabrication of a pair of bulkheads I made using three layers of 4mm core matt, sandwiched together with resin impregnated CSM layers...which only took over a week to layout and make prior sanding their edges to fit the interior contours and mount. I did the same thing with my TDB-14' using marine plywood. Olsen fabricated the templates and built their bulkheads, probably with less resin per unit area and density out of 2" in half the time. Sure would be nice to have a CAD/CAM unit sitting in the shop...as well as possessing the skills to operate it!
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Olsen Marine staff are starting the lay-up for the deck/top cap, and sole mold completion. I wonder whether this boat will have a cockpit storage cover...never been around a TDB-21'. Now I better understand why the previous owner of the company couldn't build one.
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Olsen Marine staff are starting the lay-up for the deck/top cap, and sole mold completion. I wonder whether this boat will have a cockpit storage cover...never been around a TDB-21'. Now I better understand why the previous owner of the company couldn't build one.


A cockpit cover for a TDB-21! That would be another hull! Maybe it would be 3 interlocking pieces to not be so unwieldy? Looking forward to seeing a completed 21.

Dave Diefenderfer
Manassas, VA

"Once you set out to build a boat, throw away your square. And if you work on her after she's launched, throw away your level." author unknown

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Well, Dave, you will likely see one up close at the east coast shows. I was think along the lines of a soft-cover, but your idea would be a better course for extended storage applications and intervals.
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Now that the mold for the cockpit sole is fully fabricated and is finished, it will be interesting to see how Olsen Marine personnel set the deck braces and infuse the foam core as the cockpit sole gets affixed to the hull interior.
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Looking forward to following this thread!
"Pass the Tradition Along"
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Interesting short video on the application of the non-skid "tape" sheet to the cockpit sole tooling gel coat. I replaced some of the deck non-skid on my old Outrage, it was a bugger getting the patterns to match. I was amazed by the variety of styles that are manufactured. I was also surprised by amount of gel coat they displaced.
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It looks like they infused a couple of additional layers of core-mat or divinucell in the cockpit sole layup piece. Kinda intriguing to see how they fit this together and do the foam injection in the below deck bulkhead spaces.
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Hey everyone, I'm sorry I have been so absent on here! I wanted to give everyone an update.

Our summer has not gone as planned, a couple unplanned surgeries really put a damper on progress. That being said, there are lots of projects underway at the shop. We are building some 17's and 14's as well as doing some off-season maintenance to some older boats. The real purpose of this thread is to keep you all updated on the progress of the rebirth of the 21SC, so here goes an update...

The hull and deck were built, and the deck was set aside since it would not be needed for a while. Templates were then made for bulkheads below the cockpit sole; the bulkheads were made and then glassed in to the hull every two feet. Next, we glassed in longitudinal stringers. From there, the next big hurdle was a cockpit sole. We built a mold for a cockpit sole, and it is a huge mold to move around the shop; it is about 8 feet wide and 25 feet long. We then infused the first cockpit sole from that mold. Since the cockpit sole will be supported every two feet, it didn't need to be cored, but since we overbuild everything, we cored the entire cockpit sole. The sole has not been glassed into the hull yet, but will be in the next couple weeks. We then moved on to the decoy shelves. The molds for these were terrible and needed to be ground down and completely resurfaced. Once we made a pair of shelves, we were able to make templates of the foam boxes to be mounted below the shelves. We then made plugs and then molds for the foam boxes. Once we made the first set of foam boxes, we moved on to the console. The console mold is actually in great shape like the hull and deck molds, but holy cow its heavy. Just this week, we ground down the edges of the hull and deck to do a test fit, and to check the fit of the blind templates. The only parts that we have left to make are the ring-frames to go at the fore and aft ends of the cockpit. Other than that, lots of rigging and assembly are what we have left.

It has been a learning process for sure, and it is certainly not over yet. We can't wait to build the next one, when we can focus on just the parts and not the molds. I will try to do a better job of keeping you all updated!
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Nate, I dated a women in college that held the perspective that: in every endeavor there are a finite number of mistakes that can be made, so simply stepping-off into a project to eventually persevere involves essentially getting all the miss-steps and errors "out of the way". I have learned to appreciate her perspective, a re-work of Edison's comments to reporters and shareholders when he said, " I haven't failed, we just know 10,000 materials that don't work!"

Look at it this way: The previous TDB Company owner, stated he would achieve the same end; resurrection of the TDB-21'. He then never even got the effort past the hoopla phase !

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RLLigman: Sep 7, 2018, 7:48 AM
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Here is a sneak peak of the 21 out of the mold. These are the first parts these molds have made in quite a long time!
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A 21' boat without a bow eye? How do you winch it up onto a trailer to recover?
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Nate, I dated a women in college that held the perspective that: in every endeavor there are a finite number of mistakes that can be made, so simply stepping-off into a project to eventually persevere involves essentially getting all the miss-steps and errors "out of the way". I have learned to appreciate her perspective, a re-work of Edison's comments to reporters and shareholders when he said, " I haven't failed, we just know 10,000 materials that don't work!"

Look at it this way: The previous TDB Company owner, stated he would achieve the same end: resurrection of the TDB-21' and never even got the effort even past the hoopla phase !


Hope you only dated her once.....

Mark
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We're still very good friends. She teaches biochemistry at Albion College, in southern Michigan.

Interesting comment from a guy who is employed by the firm that makes the post-it note adhesive; described initially as a failed effort into super-strength adhesive development research.

Wasn't this all debunked by internal employee testimony that confirmed that the inventor was actually someone from outside 3M who had his research stolen after disclosing the formula to company employees?

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We're still very good friends. She teaches biochemistry at Albion College, in southern Michigan.

Interesting comment for a guy who is employed by the firm that makes the post-it note adhesive; a failed effort into adhesive development research.


Was just giving you some grief.

Not only Post-It but our Scotchgard line was an accident, our non woven masks and so on. Back when I was in the lab and developing car/boat care products, I got sick of smelling like solvent at the end of the day so I added some fragrance to a wax I was working on. Turns out one of the primary reasons people liked the product was that it didn't make them smell like solvents at the end of the day. Launched a whole new line of products after that.

Mark
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Wasn't this all debunked by internal employee testimony that confirmed that the inventor was actually someone from outside 3M who had his research stolen after disclosing the formula to company employees?



Never heard this part. I do know the whole story from beginning to end but had not heard this.

From Wiki:

"Inventor Alan Amron has made claims to be the inventor who in 1973 disclosed the technology used on the Post-it Note to 3M in 1974.[15][16] His 1997 suit against 3M was settled and 3M paid Amron.[15] As part of the settlement, Amron undertook not to make future claims against the company except if ever a breach of the settlement agreement should occur.[15] However, in 2016, he launched a further suit against 3M,[15][16] asserting that 3M were wrongly claiming to be the inventors, and seeking $400 million in damages.[17][18] At a preliminary hearing, a federal judge ordered the parties to undergo mediation.[15] The suit was subsequently dismissed declaring the previous 1998 settlement agreement to be upheld.[18][19]

In July of 2016 a former 3M marketing department employee, Daniel Dassow, voluntarily came forward as an eyewitness that in 1974 Alan Amron had in fact disclosed his Press-on memo sticky notes invention to 3M.[20]"

Mark

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Mark W: Sep 7, 2018, 11:53 AM
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Haha no bow eye yet. No hardware at all yet! Don't worry though, there will definitely be a bow eye!
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I should have picked-up on the lack of adhesive at the hull deck intersection and camera angle to determine that they were just test-fit to each other...
Are you going to have any access port to the bow eye through the bow area floatation foam?
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We honestly hadn't discussed that yet. It is a lot of extra work to provide access, and do it right. As long as it is properly sealed and installed with nylocks, it shouldn't be an issue. That being said, I completely understand the peace of mind one gets by having access. That is certainly some food for thought for us!