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It was the largest building constructed in the 1200's, a massive construction undertaking at the time. When you walk inside the first thing that hits you is that the sanctuary is not that large, only extending up about 110', grading over to a series of massive timbers that extend upward another sixty feet or so to support the roof. Inside, the rooms don't smell moldy or damp, just an odd "old" odor. In the rooms behind the altar and sanctuary are a series of rooms containing artworks, paintings, statues, etc. including a portion of Joshua ben Miriam' s crown of thorns...all now destroyed or damaged beyond reclamation. A building that survived the 800 plus years post-construction that included the French Revolution and two world wars now gutted by a fire that likely damaged the sandstone walls beyond their tolerance range to function as support structures..

Easter weekend is spring break for many university students who travel in throngs via train to Paris to celebrate apring. We left from Bern. Switzerland, Kathi Rammsier, Pat Shinners, and myself, staying in a small mom and pop hotel in a Paris suburb for four days while we toured Paris.

A very sad day, and an even sadder sight to behold as thousands watched in near-silence as it burned and the spire collapsed. NOW, the monies and promises pour forth for a full restoration...
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The timing of this fire at the start of Holy Week make a person wonder why it happened now. A sad day indeed but someone on high must have a larger plan.
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Gordie Schmitt wrote:
The timing of this fire at the start of Holy Week make a person wonder why it happened now. A sad day indeed but someone on high must have a larger plan.





Amen to that.











"Art does not reproduce what is visible - but makes things visible." ~ Paul Klee, artist, 1920
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RLLigman

What a dang shame, Holy Week is here and so many people wanted to go there this time of year. It makes you wonder with the timing of the fire. Good news is many people have already pledged money to rebuild it. It will never be the same but a great remember what was once there. Happy Easter
anthony sr
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Rick and Guys,
A couple of my thoughts on the Notre Dame fire.

1) How eery it was to see the stained glass rose window illuminated from within... by fire!

2) Every Humanities 101 class in college will have to adjust its greatest example of Gothic architecture from what was to what is.

3) France is one of the most secular countries in the world. It was heartening, however, to see so many French people on their knees, in public, on the pavement, praying and singing Christian hymns, including Ave Maria, loudly and proudly. Perhaps this might stir a spiritual renewal in France?

4) Especially since this is Holy Week, I think this fire created a bond among Christians worldwide. We all know the value of these historic churches. But the partial destruction of Notre Dame harkens back to Jesus' comments about the destruction of the Temple in Jerusalem that would take place about 37 years later in 70 AD: "destroy this temple (referring to his body) and in three days I will raise it up."

Buildings, including churches are important, but not most important!

May Notre Dame be rebuilt and may The Faith be rekindled!

Larry

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Larry Eckart: Apr 16, 2019, 5:05 PM
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Pastor, I like my State and my Church to be broadly separated; the broader the better. I simply look at the political dynamic that is at play here at the national level in the United States of America to get the full: "Why?" I smile broadly when the evangelical community endorses DJT's actions. Policy apparently takes precedence over practice...when it comes to being a good evangelical, or conservative.

I admit, I am not a fan of theologies built around the concept of original sin. The Universe is a big place, a very very big place... Man and his deities are simply a very small aspect within that constantly changing tableau. Individually, I am not willing to judge my fellow for what they opt to believe, nor am I willing to condemn or kill them. I don't think that makes me any more than a functional human being. It certainly doesn't make me wrong; or right! Maybe that is the conundrum...
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RL: Amen.
James Woods
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"A person can be spiritual but not religious. For many, nature can be a church." - Pope Francis











"Art does not reproduce what is visible - but makes things visible." ~ Paul Klee, artist, 1920
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I was there nine years ago. Amazing when you think it is built on an island in the Seine river and in the 1200's they dug way down to lay the foundation and kept the water out. The history hit me when I walked in, How many weddings, funerals, how many famous people walked the aisle? Hitler? saints? artists? writers? World War two GI's? Then looking at the structure how did they accomplish something so massive back then?
Makes you realize ancient humans only lacked technology not brain power.
Second thought was had something like that happened in our capitol would people be on their knees praying or singing hymns?
Seems like we lost our way.
Ken
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 Was there 30 years ago and felt the same, The Cathedral of Paris is second only to Rome for Catholic's. France is predominately Catholic ,a true loss of a national treasure. Already a billion donated to rebuilding it.
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Ken, how many tragedies, most involving loss of life as well as property in this country are or were NOT followed by prayer vigils to mourn the loss of life and property? Our country has suffered massive floods, horrific tornadoes, hurricanes and man invoked tragedies in the form of mass shootings at houses of worship, schools, work places, entertainment venues that, in all instances, have been met with quite similar spontaneous displays of empathy, public grieving and condolences. I would counter your statements by proclaiming that we Americans actually behave at our best in the immediate response interval to these tragedies. Consistently, average human beings, as individuals as well as in spontaneous and organized groups, have stopped in the middle of these moments of chaos and destruction to rescue people and diminish loss of both life and property. Volunteers and NGO aid groups have flocked to the site of damage to aid in rebuilding efforts and to care for those displaced. YOU see what you look for. Have we really lost OUR way? Or, have we become so callous to these events that we fail to make note of the prayer, and consequent mass gatherings, as well as individual acts of fellowship and outreach that occur spontaneously in the wake of these events... Is our attention span now eroded to sound bite interval length?

I would advance that we have "lost our way" when we support, fail to actively challenge, and directly or indirectly condone the divisive, often deceitful serial lies, distortions, and antithetical behavior of a president and administration who seek to divide, disturb and destroy normal discourse as a routine means of distracting the Public's focus, while working to achieve an end-goal of erosion of Public unity and shared perspective to take action to deal with the difficult, but not insurmountable core problems confronting this Nation. Unlike DJT's claims, I did not see huge groups of Muslims celebrating in the interval after the 9/11 attacks, nor did anyone else. I did not advance a false claim that my predecessor was not an American. I do not hold my press as the "Enemy of the People, or State'. I don't demonize those who are not members of my specific political ideological faction, simply because they disagree with me irrespective of party affiliation. Nor do I attack my political opponents, Republican and Democrat, in an effort to diminish them individually in the Public's eye, often simply to feed the hate within my base of political support. IF, we have 'lost our way', as you state, that departure and/or deviation has occurred via erosion o civil discourse, as well as civil debate and discussion, and has been directly and consciously damaged, as well as indirectly condoned via the tone and tenor set and displayed by the chief executive. All you need do to secure an example of his stark departure from the norms of communication can be achieved via a comparison of the inauguration speech iterated by our current resident of the White House with those of ALL previous president's inauguration speeches.

I am not buying the gloom and doom story that DJT is selling...because there is no past-tense interval in our history that I want to reconstruct or revisit, particularly via the means and tactics he advances as acceptable behavior.

As the woodsman's saying goes: You have to know what the woods look like, to recognize the unusual...and, that, requires that you pay attention consistently to your surroundings and not allow distractions to interfere with your insight.

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RLLigman: Apr 18, 2019, 8:48 AM