WHY ARE SOME PEOPLE PIGS

You should se the crap that washes up on our beach in the early spring. So many ice fishermen just toss their crap onto the ice and just figure it somehow magically disappears. Well it doesn't and I end up picking p a couple of trash bins full every spring.

On thing to consider when picking up others trash. I was cleaning up a spot I like to hunt close to home. Nice stream and a nice recreational spot n the summer months. I must have picked up a few dozen beer cans and upon coming back to the landing was met by a CO. He proceeded to ask me if I was drinking in the blind which I wasn't. He then asked why there were so many beer cans in my boat. Told him I was picking up others trash and thus the cans, and spent shells (which there were a few lead shells) and other trash. He wanted to call the cops to conduct a breathalyzer test which I said please do. Guess he was convinced I wasn't drinking. The spent lead shells he wasn't so sure about so he checked everything for other lead shells I may have stashed somewhere to no avail.

Moral here - picking up trash is great but what happened to me could happen to you.

Mark
 
Mark W said:
You should se the crap that washes up on our beach in the early spring. So many ice fishermen just toss their crap onto the ice and just figure it somehow magically disappears. Well it doesn't and I end up picking p a couple of trash bins full every spring.

On thing to consider when picking up others trash. I was cleaning up a spot I like to hunt close to home. Nice stream and a nice recreational spot n the summer months. I must have picked up a few dozen beer cans and upon coming back to the landing was met by a CO. He proceeded to ask me if I was drinking in the blind which I wasn't. He then asked why there were so many beer cans in my boat. Told him I was picking up others trash and thus the cans, and spent shells (which there were a few lead shells) and other trash. He wanted to call the cops to conduct a breathalyzer test which I said please do. Guess he was convinced I wasn't drinking. The spent lead shells he wasn't so sure about so he checked everything for other lead shells I may have stashed somewhere to no avail.

Moral here - picking up trash is great but what happened to me could happen to you.

Mark

Mark,

Good on you for doing more than your fair share of cleaning up! Its unfortunate that the CO decided to handle it that way. Not sure if that's the reflection of local hunters in your area that makes him act that way but to be sure you did you part and I commend you!
 
Mark,
Glad you did the right thing. I can't understand the thinking of outdoor people who abuse the environment?
I guess they don't appreciate pure nature.
Trash in streams end up in the oceans and when the oceans die we are done since many people rely on food from the oceans. One marine biologist told me she thought we were beyond the tipping point of bringing oceans back.
What you did hopefully will make someone feel this place is not the place trash belongs.
Thank you
Ken
 

And there in lies the Problem...


Where Does Trash Belong?

When folks Throw and Flush things Away.

WHERE IS AWAY?

Some magic land where it disappears, or is recycled? Nice try, and dream on.


As I wrote. Work on a garbage truck, on a sewer truck, sewage treatment plant, water plant, and work disposing of all kinds of trash, from toxic to "You Do Not Wanna Know" while working at 3 different major mills (all closed).


Then - You KNOW WHERE AWAY IS, and you want you and your family to be as FAR away from it as possible.


We can make a dent buy banning sutff, but major technology needs to be put into place very soon, to address all that is out there, everywhere.

I recently read that they are considering opening a old landfill where I used to live. Located in a major toxic area, near a river, that no fish are allowed to be eaten EVER.

The Landfill has been closed long enough that most folks are dead, or old, that know, and recall what is in there. So it may just happen.

Major money was spent to dredge and try to clean up PCB's and every nasty thing that there is. It was as if a major wound was helped with a band-aid.


Could be we are at the tipping point, and I pray to GOD that we are not.


VP
 
Vince

Amen to your statement. I worked in a sewer plant for a summer when I was a youngster. I know what comes through there and where it goes. I hunted many times on lakes where Mills where and seen all the crap that went into the water. I pray that they find a way to get rid of the trash and waste. There are lots of smart people in this great world . I am sure God will give someone the power to attack this major problem we all face. Great job as always buddy.
 
Vince

Skimmed many times that summer. You can't block out what you see. When I was a kid you saw the same stuff in the Hudson River. lol that's a fact .
 
Anthony -

We are brothers in more than waterfowling.

I'm certain that your old enough to recall the TV commercial, where a tear falls from a Native American's eye.

How can people disrespect Mother Earth?


Our past, having seen and done what we did, helped to shape our lives.

Deepen our respect for Nature & Mother Earth.

Gave us resolve to do the best we can, with the gifts we are given.


There is power and wisdom in Old Age, that stays with us until the end.


I tip my hat to you my Pool Skimmer Brother, and wish you all the Best.


Vince
 
anthony m coons sr said:
Vince

It makes me sick because it all kinds of people that are like that. NY City people get blame for it all the time. But these people are from around here I would bet. They don't know how good they got it here. My dad always told me. Always treat the land as if it was your own. Leave it better then you found it. I always lived by that. I also thought my two son to do the same. But we will fight the fight and maybe we may never win. But we will die trying. Thanks buddy!

We're a long way from any NYC people up here, but have no shortage of slobs. Maine has an incredible tradition of private landowners allowing access to private land for hunting and fishing. Our state law is that you may cross unposted land, even to hunt and fish, without permission. (Of course it's always better to ask . . . ) That tradition is severely threatened by the number of people who will pull up to a gate on a secluded woods road and figure that's a good place to dump their trash. I'm not talking about kids tossing beer bottles and condoms and undies; I'm talking about people dumping truck loads of tires, old applicances, and household trash.

One thing that helps a lot, and is used by the Maine warden service, is game cameras. Most slobs seem to dump at the same places over and over, and the wardens are getting kid at catching the S(L)OB's.
 
Jeff -

I hear thee and agree. We all pay for SLOB/SOB's and it is far worse now, with no end in sight.

Time was ya found lots of appliances. Then the scrap boom hit, and the SLOB's reclaimed their junk.

Now it's busted & shot up electronics, and such that are much worse.



One of my favorite places to fly fish on a river was, US Army Corp. of Engineers land.

The dead end two track, was also a "NO DUMPING", dump. As in truck loads of trash, garbage, you name it.


Well I had enough. Dug thru the trash and garbage. Gathered plenty of evidence with name, address, etc.

Took it to the US Army Corp. office at the dam. They looked at me like I was goofy, and asked "What do you want us to do?"

I was dumbfounded. Really? I have to tell them what to DO?!

So I did.

Was told "We will turn it over to the local police, but don't expect much."


That was before trail cams.

Glad they are working in Maine. Wish they would do the same here.


Urban or rural, a SLOB IS A SLOB.


Best regards
Vince
 
Vince

What I don't get ! Is that most of these liter bugs would call the Police if we trashed their yard. I remember Pat Paulsen standing in a river fishing and just picking the dead fish he wanted to catch. Old TV commercial from way back showing population. There are lots of great wonderful people in this world. That go out of their way to pick up other peoples trash. You see them on weekend taking time out of their day.Just to make their towns look nice. Maybe there isn't a answer for pigs. But if we can change one person at a time. We might have a chance to keep this land clean once again the way we found it. Thanks Buddy.
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interesting topic, this behavior is an expression of poor parenting. my dad was always keeping it clean and gun safety. as an adult I have impressed the same 2 codes on my children. personally I carry a door pocket full of plastic grocery store bags. when grouse hunting multiple spots I fill a bag. there is always plenty, much of it recyclable. This spring the walleye's were running up the Oconto river and a crowd of fisher people forms near the dam. Living close has its benefits as the limit is 1 fish per day so I could go each day. the amount of fishing line rat nests left on the bank and in the brush is stunning. (caught one walleye that was tangled in some line) not to speak of the damage to birds and other wildlife. fortunately my schedule allowed me to fish the run every day for an hour or 2 (run last about 2 weeks) so I decided to pick up the line in the place I fished each day. picking a new spot each day allowed for the clean up of much of the area and 4 paper grocery bags of line. So simple to wrap up the line tie it in a knot and dispose of. also had the privilege of removing bunch of plastic and glass bottles, beer cans and bottles, cigarette packs etc. this exercise took only minutes each day. why would a person carry a 16 ounce bottle of liquid down the trail and not carry a 2 ounce empty container back? call it what you will it certainly represents a lack of self respect, likely lack of self esteem, lack of respect for nature, lack of respect for other people, lack of a value system, lack of good parenting, lack of a good role model, perhaps lack of curriculum for teaching this in grade school. etc. at the end of the day we may each do a little that adds up to allot. reminds me of a story: there are a million star fish washed up on the beach, a person lamented, "I cant throw them all back in the water!" , the other person smiles and says, "you may not be able to save them all but you can save this one and this one and this one and this one." take care.
 
Dani

Your so right! hit them where it hurts in their wallet. I had a guy busted for dropping trash at our duck camp. The Police came down and went through every bag and nail the clown. So it does work. Thanks for thread. You always have great wisdom.
 
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