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So when looking on the internet i saw a small 10 foot sneakbox a buy had listed for $175 dollars. I inquired about it he told me he had it listed for a year and no one had even talked to him about it and if i can come get it he would make me a good deal. I went over and the transom was rotten next to the motor board and it was saturated with water. The guy and I were talking and he said i just want it gone how about $60 bucks? So on the trailer it went and when i got home i started to repair it cutting out the transom. The boat had old registration stickers but no numbers except some on one of this inside frames. I used a sponge and got the water out and put fans in it for three days to dry it out. I cut the transom out not sure if I'm going to reinstall a motor board or not i don't have paperwork for this boat and in NJ it seems difficult to get.
South Jersey
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I know that in some states your salvaging the boat with a major repair could qualify it as a homemade boat. You would need a bill of sale and pictures of it as it was when you acquired it. Find out what who inspects/certifies homemade boats in N J, in R I Conservation officers are sometimes do this job. Then you need a list of the materials used and their cost, (which you need to pay taxes on). and some inspections of the boat, As long as the motor has a paper trail--previously registered, or proof that you bought it and paid tax on it-- you should be able to register it; Naturally check this out in advance before you do any more work on it. In R I they give you a registration and a boat I D number which you have a month to put on the boat and send them a picture of the boat with the I D # on it. I know all states have their own way but it may be able to be done! Good luck! There a number of forms to fill out so its best to do the last steps in person where the boat registration are done. I'd get the forms first as some might need notarization!
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It?s not too hard. Save your receipt ms for repair and take it to NJSP Bivalve? barracks for inspection. I?ve done it many times

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That is a really cool looking boat. I like the lines quite a bit. I hope you take plenty of restoration pictures for us to see. Nice Powermatic bandsaw too.

Eric
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Thanks Eric that bandsaw was gift from my brother I will try to take some pictures I think my plan is to use that boat as a big pond box. Basically tow the boat to the tide pond with my bigger boat and then push pole into the pond to hunt calling over to the state today to get information on a rebuilt title.
South Jersey
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There has to be someone in your circle who still has a reg for a bygone wooden garvey, dory, skiff. One case of beer is going price for an old reg around here, stamp those numbers onto your new hull and whamo.......you're good to go.
Currently my 16' fiberglass Dory is registered as a 14' wooden garvey but the numbers match and 17 years later, I've yet to be stopped, and that's in NY.......
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Josh~


Nice find! Your idea of using it as a "tow-behind" pond box was just what I was thinking. A 10-footer is a tad small for covering lots of ground by motor (except on truly protected waters). And, you'll save all the weight and expense of the engine + fuel tanks, nav lights, etc. Just need a nice pair of oars and a small anchor - and I would sew up a canvas cockpit cover to keep her dry in transit.



Looks like the transom came off nice and clean. I look forward to your restoration.


All the best,


SJS

Steven Jay Sanford
Pencil Brook Farm
South Cambridge, NY
http://www.stevenjaysanford.com


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I covered the inside back with epoxy resin and sanded and bonded the bottom to the stringers. I made a bulkhead and set it 3/4 of a inch back from the transom glued that in with wood flour and epoxy so when I installed the transom i had something to glue against I wouldn't be able to get inside the boat to make a filet on the inside of the transom (and do i want to try) so i made it on the bulkhead and bonded the transom to it with wood flour epoxy glue. I know I used a Fir plywood but i had it on hand and with 60 dollars in the boat so far a sheet of 3/4 Marine plywood cost twice what the boat cost me. When I flipped it over the brass runners were nice to find. The attachment for the grinder is amazing I'm showing a picture of it contains 85% of the dust if not more I have it hooked to my shop vac with a 2 micron bag in the vacuum and a hepa filter cartridge in the vac. If you sand carefully it would contain almost 100% but I'm not patient enough.
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Question to all on our Forum,
Is $60 for a sneak box the best deal anyone here has ever had on a sneak box type boat.

Geez! Even MY wife might go along with ANOTHER BOAT for $60.

Larry
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Only problem is those $60 boats can turn into $500 boats once we get ahold of them... That's the part wife doesn,t need to know about!
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Yeah Roy I agree lets not tell her. So this boat came with Oars but they are kinda rough. Should I make new oars? Buy new oars? I looked briefly and it seems I'm going to spend like 80 dollars on Oars does this seem correct? I will have some pictures soon. One more question I sanded the entire top of the hull in preparation for paint. Should I prime the whole boat before applying parkers and if so should it be an oil based primer? I looked online to get something directly from Parkers but wasn't sure if anyone had a recommendation on something I can just buy at a hardware store or amazon in. I was looking at the Rustoleum boat wood and fiberglass primer.
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Are the oars split or rotten? Refinish if they,ll see limited use and will clean up nicely. I would think you could pick up some caviness oars off ebay cheaper than that. The synthetic ones they make are pretty bullet proof and even come in o.d. green. Knutsons use to carry those also. As with any paint project the life of finished product is in the prep. Not seeing your current finish in detail I would suggest sand , prime. Paint with FME. If you think you,ll get several years from hull kind of determines, at least to me ,whether to splurge on the parkers or just get some exterior oil base mixed up at lowes, etc. Might want to consider a push pole if the areas you hunt are shallow enough for its use. I,ve found those little boxes pole rather easily once you find your balance point.

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roy brewington: Jun 13, 2019, 5:47 PM
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Good morning, Josh~


Got a photo of the wear on the oars?


Do you know what wood they are made of?


All the best,


SJS
Steven Jay Sanford
Pencil Brook Farm
South Cambridge, NY
http://www.stevenjaysanford.com


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These Oars look like the laminated type I'm defiantly going to make a push pole for the boat from closet rod. I would like to repair theses oars if possible. repaired some of the framing inside don't know if you can see cut them like a scarf and attached with epoxy wood flour.
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Good morning, Josh~


To my eye, those look like Ash - the most durable traditional oars.


Were they mine, I would:


1. Repair the one blade end with an Ash "dutchman" (with a long aspect ratio).


2. Sand the oars with 100-grit.


3. Seal lowest 3 inches of blades with epoxy thickened with graphite powder.


4. Seal rest of oars with Linseed Oil - 2 or 3 times over the summer.


5. Paint entire oar with duckboat paint (2 coats).


6. Replace the rubber "leathers" - maybe even with leather!


Nice job on those stringer scarphs!



All the best,


SJS

Steven Jay Sanford
Pencil Brook Farm
South Cambridge, NY
http://www.stevenjaysanford.com


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From your photo the oars don?t seem to be a ?pair?. If you are not planning on rowing much I would repair them as Steve said otherwise you?d be better off with a new set.


Great South Bay
West Sayville, N Y
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I made two transom pieces one cut out like a bulk head so i could filet the inside in place without going inside the boat. I then bonded the second piece to the first and glasses and taped the outside. The top was sanded and primed. My shop is a mess i seem to have a lot going on at once.
South Jersey
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I was to cheap to buy a flare tool and I had just bought the lathe so I made one from a junk 13/16 spark plug socket it worked ok.
South Jersey
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Larry Eckart wrote:
Question to all on our Forum,
Is $60 for a sneak box the best deal anyone here has ever had on a sneak box type boat.

Geez! Even MY wife might go along with ANOTHER BOAT for $60.

Larry


Maybe, maybe not. These two cost me $0
I?ve since passed The Dabler along, but redecked The Kears ( olive one)




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I never know which is worse: the sorrow when you hit the bird, or the shame when you miss.
http://www.hillmandecoys.com
Mullica Hill NJ
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More pictures more progress can?t figure out where to mount a push pole yet any ideas?
South Jersey
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Josh

That little boat has great lines. I'd love to see one in the 14-16' range. Keep posting pictures as you add to it.

Eric
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I like it a lot I think it?s made from plans plans in successful duck hunting called the gunning Jon boat but I?m not sure I?m thinking about trying to enlarge one to 12 feet long and wider. Worked on the spray shield today. Mom gave this phaff sewing machine last year works pretty well on this waterproof canvas from amazon.
South Jersey
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Great job, Josh - lots of great details!


re your push pole storage: 2 questions


1. Do you keep the stool racks on when gunning?


2. Are you right-handed - or southpaw?


All the best,


SJS

Steven Jay Sanford
Pencil Brook Farm
South Cambridge, NY
http://www.stevenjaysanford.com


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I plan to leave the stool racks on when gunning my old sneakbox (Higbee) had permanent ones. I am right handed. I was thinking about making the push pole a 2 piece with a 1 1/4 copper pipe piece as a coupler. I had a two piece a push pole like this before but i didn't care for it. It was better then not having a rush pole. I also thought about making a wire hoop through the galvanized pipe on the spray shield to hold the pole. I tracked down the original owner through the previous owner and looks like I might be able to get a bill of sale for transfer of ownership. After I run the HIN number I will know if her was the last guy it was registered to.
South Jersey
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For the push poll mount , I would get emt electrical conduit clips. Inch and a half diameter . screw one to the outside of your Decoy rack and the other to the front deck. You can fit your pole inside those and bend the EMT to mate it. It will never come out!

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I never know which is worse: the sorrow when you hit the bird, or the shame when you miss.
http://www.hillmandecoys.com
Mullica Hill NJ