NDR has anyone else had an issue with a neighbor keeping a miss-delivered UPS or FedEx package/

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RLLigman

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Curious to hear from those who have had a similar experience.

When I contacted FedEx regarding the email that stated our new Windows 10 equipped notebook computer had been delivered, they were quite terse while assuring me that it had gone to the correct address. I was dumbfounded that the vendor would ship a computer without requiring a signature. The advice from the local sheriff's department was to not make an effort to retrieve it, since this would serve as documentation of criminal intent on the part of the recipient to keep the computer package (two days after delivery date), prior my efforts to track its whereabouts.

My neighbor stated that she had contacted her attorney, who informed her she was within her rights to retain the package....third time this has happened; first instance was a package of horse supplements she eventually delivered a month after expiration date, handing it to Karen as she drove by her while she was returning from our mailbox, and second was a box of decoys that I had to retrieve after sending her a registered letter with the UPS courier's statement that they had delivered the package to the wrong address.
 
What the heck?

Did the neighbor come over and pick the package off your steps or was it delivered to the wrong address (her address) and her attorney said she could legally keep it. I didn't understand.

Lots of ways these days to minimize theft. I have a Ford Truck with what is called Ford Pass. I can have the package delivered to my truck and when the carrier arrives, I get a text. I open the truck remotely and then the driver shuts the door and I lock it again.

My new garage door opener also has a feature called My Q (or something like that). Same thing as the truck. I get a text saying the delivery guy is at the house. I open the garage door, package is delivered, and then I shut the garage door. I think I paid $150 for the new opener.

Maybe something to consider.

Sounds like a great neighbor by the way.

Mark
 
All I know is I am not paying for something I did not get. If FedEx delivered it to the wrong address I would let them pay for it or fight with the woman who has it.
 
Rick,
That sounds like a neighbor from hell. I have never heard of such. Keeping a computer you didn't order? Going to a lawyer about keeping a package delivered to you that you didn't order? Decoys??

You must have some bad juju there brother.

Hope it works out for you.

Larry
 
No, the carriers in each instance opted to deliver to a house with no external number on it, name on mailbox, or number; all of which our mailbox and home possess...all visible from the street. I eventually identified the problem exist(s) in their software, which lists our home location at the northern terminus of our street about .7 miles away
 
Larry, she is a Chicago native: University of Chicago grad. with an M.S. in nursing. She teaches as adjunct faculty in the nursing department at NMU. Her first husband was a retired math instructor at Northern Michigan University, who edited math texts in retirement. Kurt was excentric, but a really good neighbor once you were able to get him to open-up. Theirs was a May/December romance. She threw him out when He developed dementia. He lived the last years of his life with his son. Sherry held their will.... and now allows him to rent the farm house from her that should have been his property...too long a convoluted story. She is a sociopath, who teaches nursing....interesting dichotomy from where I sit; a profession that has a core requirement of empathy, being taught by a self-absorbed, socially disfunctional human being!
 
Can you refuse payment on credit card or PayPal? I don?t understand why the sheriff gave you that advice or how her attorney could claim that she was within her rights to retain a package that was addressed to you.
 
Rick: Never encountered this type of problem. When my wife and I worked days and were expecting a Fed-Ex package with signature, we asked a neighbor couple who were retired if they would accept and left a note on our door with instructions for driver. USPS (Over $700 needs sig.) leaves a stickie note with mail for an unsuccessful delivery, and one can retrieve at Post Office. 1) You should be protected and file a claim with your credit card company. 2) I would go ahead and press charges on your neighbor with your Sherriff's dept. What the heck, it's theft ! Nobody wants to get in a war with neighbors but there comes a point where enough is enough. My two cents.

Ken Zaborski
 
Brad and others, let me clarify a point of confusion. I am typing on the "lost" computer, finished the file transfer and downloads about thirty hours ago, after several days of frustration.

The principle reason I decided to post this to pass along that this is actually a gray area within the law for delivered packages. IF it is US Postal Service package or mail, it is a crime to keep, tamper, divert, or alter mail or mailbox contents. It is also illegal to leave a note in a mailbox. However, for private for-profit carrier delivered packages there are no technical protections. When I confronted her (stepped in front of her car to stop her from driving by) I asked if she had possession of a package from Dell. She told me she had not touched it and knew nothing about what I was referring to. I heard the 'had not touched it", turned toward her drive and saw the Dell box sitting on is narrowest edge on the outside of her front porch railing where it had been place by her to clear it from the access doorway next to her garage overhead door. That's right, the computer was resting in its box on its least stable edge over six feet up above a concrete driveway on the outside of the main doorway entrance to her home for nearly three days and nights... I turned back to her and told her that she demands that all others who interact with her do so in a respectful, courteous manner, but you (she) fail miserably at mirroring the same level of respect and courtesy to all who interact with you(her)! I turned away and started to walk up her driveway to the sound of her shouting that she was taking my picture to document I was trespassing and she was calling the police and her attorney. When I walked back our of her driveway she was still shouting... I told her she was well known within the community for being bat-crap crazy...and that I was calling the police as well.

My subsequent conversation with the Sheriff's office for our county proved largely worthless, other than to give them a heads-up that she was going to contact them. I was told that next time I should leave the package to document intent to steal it, and contact them to retrieve it. When I asked if there would be subsequent prosecution, should I go that route next time...the double speak began. My conclusion: likely no charges would ever be brought. So, let this serve as a heads-up!

I have refused receipt of two registered letters...thus far.

Brad, good question. I look at it this way: Who on Earth would decide they want to risk jail time and potential prosecution over a thirty dollar bag of horse supplements (she is an ardent animal rights champion), six Tanglefree foam filled canvasback decoys, or a six hundred dollar Dell notebook?

Answer: A person who would hire laborers to dig up the individual remains in six plastic Rubbermaid storage boxes of dead cats, then take them to her Vet.'s office and demand that they be all analyzed for a variety of poisons...including Anthrax. Why? She determined that her now ex-husband likely poisoned them... IF I gave you the full list of what she requested they be tested for, you would readily discern that this could only be done at a State Police Crime lab. not via some mail-out veterinary medicine lab.
The Vet (Dr. Shady ethics) sent the samples "away" for testing. He instructed one of his vet. techs to conduct the "black ooze" sampling and packaging. She no longer works for him.
 
This thread should have been titled"Does anyone else have an insane neighbor'? Sorry for your bad luck. Not much you can do about her, except not have packages delivered to your home. And not to be a smart ass, but why don't you just walk up and take it? It's your computer, what's she going to do about it? Call the cops? What are they going to do? Give you a hard time for getting your computer? It sounds like the cops there just don't want to deal with her. Sometimes you just have to do the common sense thing and not worry about it.
 
I did physically retrieve my computer, Greg, after doing a tracking search and the follow-up with FedEx to fully document that is was delivered to the wrong address. When I confronted her, I was actually on my way over there. Fortuitously, she happened to be backing out of her driveway and I just stepped in front of her car-something I won't do in the future. Until she made the misstatement about not touching the package, following my query, I had no idea where it was. The box is only 3" wide and was partially covered in snow, when I first saw it.

In Michigan, you get one trespass on none-posted property. After notification from the property owner that you are not allowed on their land, posted or not, you are now subject to violation via the Horton Trespass Act...why I called the police immediately after retrieving my computer. The decoys were inside her home. I knocked on her door twice without a response, eventually leaving a note requesting return of the box, if she had it in her possession, in her mailbox. Subsequently, I now find out that was not an action within the law.
 

Pretty accurate assessment, Brad. My frustration is that there are several people who function as her enablers- attorney, current vet.,etc.


Her second husband was a nice guy. He had some mild cognitive developmental issues. Their marriage lasted about a year...
 
After receiving notice of the delivered package and discovering it was mis-delivered I'd don my Ninja gear and slip over and recover my packages. This time of year a white pair of coveralls, white face mask and gloves ought to do it.

Sorry you live next to a lunatic brother.
 
I'm glad you were able to get your computer RL, I thought she still had it. You did what I would have done, taken my computer and worried about trespass laws or other such things later, which it sounds like worked out fine.

Now I need your help on something. I have a child at MSU and am an avid flyfisher that has always wanted to fish some Michigan streams. I figure next fall I want to take some time and head north from East Lansing and do just that. I think you could give me some good ideas. When I'm done with fishing, I'm going to have to drive back to New Jersey, so I want to be smart about that also and not end up in Duluth.
 
Greg, thanks, a good opportunity to end this unhappy tome...???..!

Do you have an 8wt in the 9' to 9'6" range or a similar switch rod set-up? If yes, bring it or them, because the wild-origin chinook will start to enter the rivers in late August and early September. As the spawning runs build, steelhead will enter to feed on drifting eggs. Consequently, you can end up with anything from a 42lb chinook to a half pound trout on. The Pere Marquette, Manistee, Little Manistee are all top-notch trout water. The Muskegon gets a run of somewhere around 30,000 wild kings, too, but you would be better served to hire a guide and fish from a drift boat. It has a great steelhead fishery as well that can be exploited well into the early winter. The south branch of the PM is less pressured, and offers mainly trout water. This arm of the PM has a LOT of wood, with tight quarters offering limited back-casting opportunity...roll casts or switch casts are the norm, but it holds a good number of large browns. I have a pair of replica mounts of 24 3/4" and 26 1/2" browns from fish I caught and released when I lived down there north of Pentwater in the Lake Michigan dunes, while I was still squeezing fish for a living for MSU's Dept. of Fisheries and Wildlife.

The AuSable is famous...for fish and trout fishing, but my experience is that most of it consists of small brook trout with a smattering of other species. It also has an atlantic salmon run that is building, but not consistent enough that I would recommend you focus on it.

If you want to avoid the plug tossing crazies, the PM has a flies only stretch that is quality fishing just downstream for Baldwin. The beauty of the streams I just mentioned. other than the AuSable is that they offer browns, rainbows, some brook trout sections in the upper reaches, as well as the adfluvial runs of coho, chinook and steelhead. A bit further north is the Platte9Frankfort area), which sees the largest coho run in the Midwest, as well as being a top notch trout stream.

By focusing on the Pere Marquette, Little Manistee, and Manistee you can find accommodations that would enable you to fish all three streams in that area.

https://www.mlive.com/news/2019/09/absolute-giant-chinook-salmon-caught-in-northern-michigan-earns-dnr-award.html
 
Not to steal your thread or anything-but thanks! I don't have any big tackle, just trout stuff, 5 weight. So the trout fishing is what I am after, and your info is perfect. The PM, Manistee, and Little Manistee sound like what I am looking for. And maybe I'll work my way into some salmon/steelhead fishing. By the way, I have a sister out in Washington that is also a fish biologist, been working with west coast salmon and steelhead her whole life. She's a Huskie, did her schooling at U Washington. Now works for the army corps monitoring fish passages and the things that go with that.
 
When I took Fishery Management, the USACE's sequential destruction of the native salmon stocks in the Columbia and Snake Rivers was a case study in fishery manager's good intentions gone wrong due to lack of consideration for the broader biology and ecology of these tributaries...

Greg, either access or get your daughter to send you a copy of the stream regulations for Michigan. The general trout season runs from June to September, but there are a variety of waters, as well as sections of Great Lakes tributaries that remain open all year, as well as containing flies only fishing sections. The PM's is ten miles long, immediately below Baldwin, with the next section artificial lures only.

I talked to Rich O'Neal, now retired MDNR fishery biologist for that area. He said that the Muskegon below Croton Dam is wadable for several miles and is also very good trout water. One caveat, this is a major salmon fishing destination for the wader clad army...locals, and non-residents.
 
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