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1/2 HP Wagner Motor help
Alrighty y'all....I come to the experts here cuz y'all are the bestest of course

Anyway, I found this motor at Steves and it was just gonna be either tossed or goodwilled. It needed some help....like a cord...so I added one of those to see if would work and SHOCKER it did! I didn't screw that up!!! It is a nice low speed motor which my carving folk tell me is the best for sharpening our knives and gouges and whatnot. I have wanted one but haven't wanted to pay out the wazoo for one, like what the carving club folks recommend.

I want to be able to put the different buffing wheels on but first I gotta get (for lack of the proper term) the pulley looking buffing wheel clamps off. I have looked for a manual for this motor but I haven't been able to find one. The outside screw came off with no problems. Then inside screw I have Kroiled and let sit for over a week and so far no loosening up. I am tempted to get the heat gun out to see if that will help. But my question is, to pull the wheel off so that I can insert a buffing pad or two, do I NEED to pull the left hand side off or is the right hand side the only one that is needing to come off? The right hand side is pretty well stuck too and I have added Kroil into the screw hole to soak around the inside of the shaft and clamp interface. Also, will it be a problem if one of the metal buffing wheel clamp wheels is slightly out of round (can't imagine that is good)? If it is a problem, where would be the best place for me to look for parts that would fit this motor? Looking online there seem to be a number of the motors for sale on ebay and a lot of them have the plain ole shaft without the pulley looking clamps (though I know they aren't all the same model as this one). So, if the whole thing will come off of the shaft and I just need to get a new buffing wheel mount are those things pretty interchangeable? I hope my questions make sense since I am sure I am not using the right terminology. If I need to get different pictures, let me know and I will.







Thanks a ton y'all!

Dani
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 Looks like a split pulley. Un do the set screws and remove them completely. If they won't loosen use light heat. Try heating a old allan wrench to loosen loc tite. A wheel puller might work also.
Slow and easy is the word, don't rush it...
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Dani,

Yes, what you have here is a split pulley. As shown in the photos it is actually installed backwards. More on that later.

The outside set screw is the only set screw which locks the pulley assembly to the shaft. No need to worry about the inside set screw. The inside screw only locks the adjustable half to the stationary half of the pulley. Yes, some soaking with a penetrant, a gear puller and a little heat should remove the pulley.

A split pulley is designed to be adjustable for "running diameter". Screw the two halves closer together and effective pulley diameter gets larger. Screw the halves further apart and this diameter gets smaller. Typically it would be mounted to the motor shaft with the adjustable side towards the outside where it would be easier to access for adjustment.

I doubt this pulley can be used to mount a buffing wheel. I suspect you would have trouble finding a 6 or 8 inch buffing wheel that would have a center hole that would match up to the diameter of the threaded portion of the split pulley.

Like wise the motor shaft has no provision to clamp a buffing wheel. All is not lost as threaded arbors are readily available to convert the keyed shaft to a threaded arbor, which will in turn securely hold a buffing wheel.

Hope this helps. I'll send you a PM with my phone number if you wish to call. (my typing skills are to slow to keep up with my thoughts)

Take care, Huntindave McCann Smile SHELL ROCK IA. ,,,,,, "As sailors grow older, the wiser ones move to smaller boats." Thomas Firth Jones, Multihull Voyaging
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Thanks y'all. I had to look up a lot of what y'all are talking about but I think I get the general gist.

Dave, I will give you a call this evening or tomorrow morning. Whichever is most convenient for you.
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So I am curious. If this was a pulley motor, what would it have been used to run? I assume some sort of belt would be used on the pulley but what might it have been used to drive?

Lord only knows where Steve got this and for what purpose. Though I know it was equally as likely that he used it for something and I just never saw it before he cut the cord up and put it in his stash of can't throw this away, I will get to it projects. So it made me curious what it might be for.
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Dani,

The correct industry name for the pulley on your motor is " variable pitch sheave". More info here

A threaded arbor adapter to hold a buffing wheel; one source here Amazon

Another option to hold a buffing wheel is a tapered arbor such as these. One will see this type of arbor used on double ended motors and used when one desires to be able to quickly change out buffing wheels. The buffing wheel itself threads directly onto the tapered threads until it gets tight. Then simply unscrews to loosen. No nuts and washers required.

Take care, Huntindave McCann Smile SHELL ROCK IA. ,,,,,, "As sailors grow older, the wiser ones move to smaller boats." Thomas Firth Jones, Multihull Voyaging
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Thanks so much for your help Dave! I got the pulley pulled off....really very simple when you have the right tools for the job....go figger. I have ordered the threaded arbor and will pick up the buffing pads and polishing compound so maybe by the holiday I'll be able to sharpen my tools much quicker.

Now I need to build me a carving cart to keep all of my tools contained on/in.

And get more tools....
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Dani
Look at the paper buffing wheels puts a beautiful edge on a blade
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Dani wrote:
So I am curious. If this was a pulley motor, what would it have been used to run? I assume some sort of belt would be used on the pulley but what might it have been used to drive?

Lord only knows where Steve got this and for what purpose. Though I know it was equally as likely that he used it for something and I just never saw it before he cut the cord up and put it in his stash of can't throw this away, I will get to it projects. So it made me curious what it might be for.


Dani,

My best guess is that it was used to power a "Females Silly Questions Answering Machine". ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, But then again that motor is probably undersized for that task. w00t

Take care, Huntindave McCann Smile SHELL ROCK IA. ,,,,,, "As sailors grow older, the wiser ones move to smaller boats." Thomas Firth Jones, Multihull Voyaging
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Huntindave McCann wrote:

Dani,

My best guess is that it was used to power a "Females Silly Questions Answering Machine". ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, But then again that motor is probably undersized for that task. w00t


Ya know....that might be why the motor was in the condition it was and the cord was cut off and one of the set screws seized. Steve likely got tired of the answers not being good enough to keep up with my questions and so in a fit...he had some good fits with tools....he cut the cord and threw it in a corner. That makes a lot of sense Laugh
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Thanks for the help again!!!!! Got the parts in finally (and waiting on polishing compound still) but I am all ready for sharpening some knives! And to make a nice stand for it