Partridge in a Woodsman's Tree

Vince Pagliaroli

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Thought I would share these photos.

A very good friend spends most of his time in the outdoors. Much of it tending his property, improving habitat, etc.

In late fall this Ruffed Grouse would come a running each time he started one of the ATV's. Why? He has no idea.

It also spent much time with him in his treestand while he deer hunted (he got a fine buck as usual).

The photos are worth a thousand words, and make me SMILE.

Hope they do the same for you.

VP





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Exceptionally cool Vince. It's not often I can say "haven't seen that before", today I can. They're such neat birds.
 
Unfortunately, this is an all too common means of killing grouse, particularly juvenile birds in late fall as they disperse to establish into unoccupied breeding territories, and one of the arguments against late season hunting. The old Honda three wheelers were notoriously effective grouse "callers". Road hunters would putt-putt down two tracks shooting grouse that responded to what they perceived as a rival male drumming to establish territory boundaries. I have personally turned-in four ATV road hunters employing this technique. I had a Family Practice physican who started a practice over in Watersmeet, avid grouse hunter himself, relay a story of one of his patients shooting 79 grouse one season. He bragged that he never ever stood upright or even walked through a grouse cover the entire season. The other late season NO-NO is road hunting via vehicle or on foot about dusk to catch birds out budding in aspen and spotted dogwood. I have passed at least five birds this fall that were easy "kills" while they were engaged in feeding, silhouetted against the sky.
 
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Vince, those pictures are priceless. What a fun way to spend an afternoon, with a friendly grouse.

RLLigman, I am of an age where I remember the old Honda ATC's and when you mentioned that, I could almost hear the sound of the engine, and it does indeed remind me of the drumming of a grouse(partridge if you're in New England).

Road hunting for grouse is very common in certain areas, unfortunately. Is it really that much fun to drive around, get out of the vehicle, and shoot birds on the ground?
 
Interesting you mention the road hunting as a late season NO-NO. Whenever I go up north to hunt partridge all I ever see is Maine plates cruising on UTVs or in their trucks at 3 mph ready to road smear a bird. Out of state plates are always parked and empty (folks beating the brush). No offense to any Mainers here. Makes me glad I have a dog and get my yearly exercise that week of every year.
 

Ruffed Grouse are in serious decline in our area of NY, as well as PA due to West Nile Disease. Recent studies show just having habitat is not the sole answer. Disease is playing a much greater role than previously thought.

To even see one, or hear one drumming in the Spring is a rare treat.

I had a long discussion with the NY Upland Bird Biologist. She told me it will take many years for the population to recover, and the birds we see are the ones resistant to the disease.

Therefore IMO priceless.


Been a avid grouse hunter all my life. When I retired my plan was to really go at it as much as possible. Then the population crashed.

PA has done away with the late season, and other places may follow.

If your area and state has good populations, enjoy them while ya can.

The Goshawk is also in serious decline due to more than one factor.

All things in nature are connected.


VP
 
Vince, Michigan, Wisconsin, and Minnesota have joined together to pool data and results for a little over three years to track West Nile Virus (WNV) impacts on Ruffed Grouse numbers in the Upper Midwest. A great deal of their baseline reference information has come from existing studies in Pennsylvania. Recently, study data funded by the Ruffed Grouse Society concluded that WNV induced mortality could run as high as 90%. From what I recall this was done at Colorado State University. Anitbodies to WNV have ranged from a little over 10 to as high as 25% in second year birds in Michigan data, so birds are surviving. The Pa. multi-year data concludes that managing for optimal habitat maximizes WNV survival among juvenile birds. Concomitant with this data on survival rates, having continquous blocks of optimal habitat enables dispersal of disease resistant birds into adjacent blocks of cover, enabling population recovery rates to progress relatively rapidly. Some data from MDNR's Rose Lake Research laboratory indicates that small intermittent surface water is the chief culprit in enabling Culex restauns rather than the more common Culex pipiens to propogate. Culex restauns disperses to the mid-canopy section of forested cover and is primarily an avian blood predator, distributing within the canopy at about the same time of day the grouse move to bud and feed.. Vernal and temporary wetlands with a complex invertebrate community consisting of water boatman, water striders, Odonate larvae, salamanders, and diving beetles contain enough mosquito larval predators to hold numbers of emerging adults relatively low, unlike these smaller sheetwater pools that don't last long enough or establish on a routine enough basis to contain larval predators in numbers that enable population control to any great degree

The other broad benefit of ruffed grouse habitat enhancement efforts: when you manage for grouse, you manage to benefit whitetail deer as well.
 


RL,

Thank you for the info, it is much appreciated. I do my best keep updated on the Ruffed Grouse situation.

PA has always been in the forefront of Ruffed Grouse habitat. NY has just began a Young Forest Plan, that has met with opposition, but is being carried out.

The info you provided about the surface water being a culprit, makes sense, but those are usually some areas that Woodcock are attracted to as well.


At about the same time West Nile struck in PA. The PA Game Commission began eradicating Russian Olive & Barbarry (invasive). Two very important food sources for grouse, especially in late winter. It appeared to be the perfect storm for the plight of the Ruffed Grouse.


ANF has been a Grouse Haven since it first became a National Forest. For many years ANF hosted the Pointing Dog National Grouse Trials, until the rapid decline. I do my best to keep updated, as it is one of my favorite places to grouse hunt. It is now also a study area for the decline of the Goshawk.

I hope and pray that I live to see the return of both birds in PA & NY.


Best regards
Vince




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One good reference tip when seeking woodcock cover in the Upper Great Lakes states is to look for a combination of red willow, spotted alder, and young aspen. Often these microhabitats will exist in close proximity to old beaver meadows or interspersed in small clearings within large aspen clear-cuts. Grouse generally prefer larger wrist-thick aspen stands with stem counts high enough to deter goshawk predation, their principal avian predator These three plant species in combination indicate that soil moisture is abundant near the surface at depths that enable woodcock to feed and probe for earthworms. Our local production generally will congregate along the major watercourses as they initiate migration out of the area along them. Camp owners are being encouraged in the Central UP to spray these small surface water puddles with vegetable oil mist applications in an effort to deny mosquito larvae the ability to stick their breathing spiracle that they deploy through the surface film using the hair fringe on its outer margins to cling to via electrostatic attraction. Woodcock are not impacted by these oiling efforts. Minnesota and Michigan have not suffered the degree of decline in their ruffed grouse populations that Wisconsin has recorded for a variety of reasons. Michigan's Grouse Enhanced Management (GEMS) have worked well to maintain large blocks of contiguous habitat managed for grouse and whitetail deer.

This has been a pretty decent your for grouse. I seldom shoot woodcock due to population trends, unless I hit a flight concentration, which occurs about once or twice per fall season. If you hunt woodcock, make sure you keep the legs and thighs from all birds killed in your group-excellent eating, far less strong than the breasts. We once dined on cooked woodcock craniums prepared by a French friend of Jim Harrison's; actually quite flavorful once yah stopped focusing on the optics!. I think his name was Guy de Valdane or Valdaine (sp?). My hunting partner was a Grannd Marais native who knew him via the local watering hole in Grand Marais where he had a camp just downstream from a very good section of steelhead and salmon water on the Sucker River.
 
So amazing to see the photo's. I watched a show recently called "My Octopus Teacher", that gave me a whole new appreciation for mother nature. I highly recommend this show for anyone, and think I watched it on netflix.
 
a few years ago I worked with a woman who had a grouse that came out of the near by woods to a bird feeder on her deck - it would peck at the window if the feeder was empty - it was unfortunately lost when it got to close to a new lab puppy

i was just having a conversation today with the owner of a local gun shop about the combination of west nile virus and loss of habitat on the grouse population, I was hesitant to get another setter last year after ours had passed. But my wife said setters were part of me and I needed one. this one may spend way too much of his time at pay to hunt venues
 

Rick,

Setters of all kinds, have been in my mothers family line since they arrived in the USA.

Upland birds = Setters = Birds. Good Hunting & Food with STYLE.

Once a setter man or woman, tis very hard not to be. They are family and a way of life.

"Hair, Skin, Bone & A Nose." Best Friend.

Pay to play, or not. Birds are what they LIVE for, and the more the better.


Get Thee Out West for many weeks ASAP, no matter what it takes as life is short.

Your setter and you will work hard, but have Big Fun.


Best regards
Vince
 
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