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Eric~


I'll keep that lead in mind. I've often thought of having one my my sleeper bow handles cast in bronze.


For the Sneakbox I got from Josh a couple of Tuckertons ago, I may make my "hardware" from Black Locust. Hervey Garrett Smith'sMarlinspike Sailor has some nice plans. I made a nice pair of jam cleats to his design - from White Oak - for my old gaff sloop WILLET:






All the best,


SJS











Steven Jay Sanford
Pencil Brook Farm
South Cambridge, NY
http://www.stevenjaysanford.com


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Steve

Thanks for the drawing. That will get filed away for sure.

Eric
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J.M Reinick at Bronzeblocks.com is another source of bronze cleats.

http://www.bronzeblocks.com/pdf/maincatalog.pdf
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Richard

Thanks for that source.

Eric
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Luke~


Great vessels!


I hope you can make it to the SSWA Duckboat Show - with or without one of your boats. Let's be sure to talk Garveys.


All the best,


SJS

Steven Jay Sanford
Pencil Brook Farm
South Cambridge, NY
http://www.stevenjaysanford.com


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I put CDX on it to see how it would all work out. Marine ply at 200 a sheet I don't want to cut that stuff up to find out it didn't work. Also I bought a larger engine.
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Josh Schwenger: Oct 15, 2022, 1:53 PM
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Josh

I like it. Everything's eye pleasing and looks like it is up to the task. Keep moving forward.

Eric
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Eric Patterson wrote:
Josh

I like it. Everything's eye pleasing and looks like it is up to the task. Keep moving forward.

Eric


Ditto

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Also to tell a bit more of the story I bought that 60 hp Yamaha for $1000. The gentleman who had it told me it ran had great compression but would lose power at WOT almost coming to a stall. He worked on the problem for weeks and could not fix it. He told me he went through the carbs twice no luck, then three fuel pumps, numerous filters, new fuel tank, fuel line, and finally the computer. This was in 2020 and had been sitting ever since. I bought it after verifying compression adding a bit of oil to the dry system. 115-118 pounds in each cylinder. Got it home and pulling off a small fuel line between the filter and the pump I located a obstruction in the line. I will include a picture of it but it looks to me someone snapped off the nipple to the fuel filter and over time crushed it down so fuel could barley pass by. I replaced all the lines and cleaned carbs checked lower unit oil and test drive it ran very well. I ordered Yamaha fuel lines to replace the yellow.you can see the yellow is pinched where I found the obstruction. It only had a 1/16 size hole in the plastic. I popped it from the fuel line in the one picture. Needless to say it was a blessing.



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Wow, what a bargain and what a quick fix for something that gave the previous owner fits.


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Good morning, Josh~


Instead of marine ply for decks I often use AC. (I would not use AC for the bottom or sides, though.)


What I typically do is put the A side down AFTER I have sealed it with epoxy. (And, I often paint it a paler grey (masking the mating surfaces at the framing) so I can see more easily underneath when installing hardware or whatever in the future.



I fill any imperfections in the C side and put it up. As I am going to sheath it with epoxy + cloth, my filling et cetera will be covered by the cloth and at least 3 coats of resin.


I would round over the outboard edges of the plywood with router and be sure the edge grain is well-filled with resin before I glassed over the gunnels. The inside edge I would round just slightly - but be sure the coamings are well-bedded when they are installed.



BTW: I use bronze boat nails to fasten the plywood - to avoid the countersinking needed with screws - and bed the mating surfaces on the framing with 5200 or something similar.


Hope this helps!


SJS








Steven Jay Sanford
Pencil Brook Farm
South Cambridge, NY
http://www.stevenjaysanford.com


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Re: Adding gunnels and top on my one Garvey In reply to
Thank you it does help because as of now I can't get 3/8 marine ply within 100 miles. My next question is a epoxy question. When I went to a local fiberglass supplier for cloth (I know not to use bonded mat with epoxy) the owner tried to encourage me to use polyester. I already ordered 2.5 gallons of us composites with fast hardener. He stated I couldn't go over epoxy with other epoxy saying I have to wait between coats? I was under the impression as I have done before I could install my knees to the sides of my current gunnels with spots thickened with cabosil wood flour mix then tape over those joints with my 6 ounce cloth similar to stitch and glue construction. Correct me if I am wrong. Also if I can do this I know about blush and how I will have more with faster cure resin can I re-coat on wet resin like after it has set up to fill in the weave or do I let it harden remove the blush and then re-coat. Sorry this guy (who has minimal epoxy experience) told me I can't "hot coat" over epoxy.
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Stick to your guns! Only epoxy over wood....


And, yes, you can roll on a second coat once the first coat is not fully cured. You cannot roll on a second coat right away - it needs to cure to the tacky stage. I do this commonly.


If it is fully cured, you must wash off the amine blush (with warm water), then scuff sand with 80-grit.


All the best,


SJS


Steven Jay Sanford
Pencil Brook Farm
South Cambridge, NY
http://www.stevenjaysanford.com


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Very good thank you.
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Josh

You might want to grab some slow cure hardener too. Running out of time with a cup full of semi-cured thickened epoxy won't put a smile on your face. Wetting out cloth is fairly fast but making fillets can take more time that I care to admit. I have always used both and mix the two as well to get the right working time.

When it comes time to sheath the decks you are going to have two choices. 1) Apply wet cloth, or 2) apply dry cloth and then wet. Having done it both ways I would absolutely recommend you wet the cloth after it has been trimmed and placed on the deck. Don't worry, the epoxy will flow through the cloth onto the plywood deck no problem. With a squeegee you can spread it around and work it in. Then a foam roller will even it out.

Eric

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Eric Patterson: Oct 18, 2022, 5:14 AM
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Hi Josh, Would you mind sending a picture of how you did the bow? I am looking at building a similar design for a grass boat that would have flaps so that we could shoot over the side . Great job
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This is how I framed it out although not sure it's the best. The piece of cedar will be replaced prior to epoxy sealing I had to try a few times to get the curves where I wanted them. The front will be a small anchor locker with a black hatch door. I'm thinking of grabbing more mahogany decking to make grass rails. Mr. Sanford usually recommends a 3/16 gap for salt hay. I might just use bungee my mind isn't made up I got to be done this rather rapidly as season is approaching. The solid block is for my trolling motor to mount.
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Eric's advice about the process for sheathing the decks is - not at all surprisingly - spot on.


All the best,


SJS




Steven Jay Sanford
Pencil Brook Farm
South Cambridge, NY
http://www.stevenjaysanford.com


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Yes thank you both. Tomorrow I hope to get most of the grinding out of the way.
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Great job so far Josh, cant wait to see the finished product. are you planning on putting grass flapboards on it?
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Thank you it does help because as of now I can't get 3/8 marine ply within 100 miles. My next question is a epoxy question. When I went to a local fiberglass supplier for cloth (I know not to use bonded mat with epoxy) the owner tried to encourage me to use polyester. I already ordered 2.5 gallons of us composites with fast hardener. He stated I couldn't go over epoxy with other epoxy saying I have to wait between coats? I was under the impression as I have done before I could install my knees to the sides of my current gunnels with spots thickened with cabosil wood flour mix then tape over those joints with my 6 ounce cloth similar to stitch and glue construction. Correct me if I am wrong. Also if I can do this I know about blush and how I will have more with faster cure resin can I re-coat on wet resin like after it has set up to fill in the weave or do I let it harden remove the blush and then re-coat. Sorry this guy (who has minimal epoxy experience) told me I can't "hot coat" over epoxy.


I always use US Composites, Medium Hardner. I ALWAYS go wet on wet on my layers. If memory serves, you have to sand if you wait more than 24 hours between coats.

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I'm torn between grass flap boards and a fabric "flap boards". I recently saw a post from a guy with a 16' David Clark Garvey with a solid canvas blind you shoot over. I've made progress all the knees are installed. Am I allowed to repost pictures of other boats found on the internet ? I can show you guys what I am thinking.
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Am I allowed to repost pictures of other boats found on the internet ? I can show you guys what I am thinking.


Go right ahead.

Eric
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Something like this.
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