Shall not be infringed ??

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william gaynor

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I live in Ohio and I recently sold a shotgun to a guy in California. This was to be a simple transfer my FFl dealer to his. When I went to my dealer he said i don't ship out of state, and referred me to the largest dealer in the area, I went there and he said " We do not ship to California " So I hoped on the internet and got a list of all of the local FFLDealers. The next four refused to ship to CA, The fifth said OK but you will pay the price. Excuse me but where is "shall not be infriged "
 
What was the price from the fifth? How did it compare to what it would normally cost to ship to another state?

My understanding is that most FFL's need to enroll with California and then log in to get each transfer to a CA FFL approved.

I'm not surprised that some don't want to do that, or that those who do charge more for that than for a simpler transaction.
 
William

How far is the buyer to a neighboring state. Maybe ship to a FFL in that state and he can drive to get it.

Eric
 
william gaynor said:
$50.00 plus shipping which was $52.00
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The only time I used an FFL it was $25 for a transfer within my state. That was more than a decade ago. Another $25 to deal CA's extra red tape does not seem unreasonable. No idea on whether $52 for shipping is fair--never shipped a firearm.
 
They won't ship it to another state for the buyer unless he has ID of the state he is shipping it to. California is run by the CCP.

If he simply drove to the state where the shotgun was and paid the guy for it and took it home, he'd be "breaking the rules" but he'd have the shotgun.
 
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They won't ship it to another state for the buyer unless he has ID of the state he is shipping it to. California is run by the CCP.

If he simply drove to the state where the shotgun was and paid the guy for it and took it home, he'd be "breaking the rules" but he'd have the shotgun.
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Is this true for every type of gun? I know handguns are treated differently than shotguns most of the time.

Mark
 
Not suggesting any rules be broken here but just asking a question. Can you break the gun down and ship various parts of it to the buyer in different shipments so you are never shipping a whole gun? I believe I read at one time that shipping the serialized part might be treated differently than the rest of the gun.

Mark
 
California is a pain to ship to. Must be registered with the state, must get pre approved each gun. Time is money. Shipping long guns is expensive and the insurance getting really expensive.
 
todd tennyson said:
If he simply drove to the state where the shotgun was and paid the guy for it and took it home, he'd be "breaking the rules" but he'd have the shotgun.
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I MISPOKE EARLIER and the "breaking the rules" would be a Federal violation. https://www.atf.gov/file/58681/download

"An unlicensed individual is prohibited from directly transferring a firearm to a person residing in another State."
 
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Not familiar with CA laws on private firearm sales, but the sale would fall under the laws of both states. When buying firearms (long guns) across state lines the sale has to follow the laws of both states. That is federal law. ATF has a FAQ entry on this. (see this link)

(iv) The sale, delivery, and receipt of the rifle or shotgun fully comply with the legal conditions of sale in both such States.
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UPS and FedEx wouldn't ship long guns for the 1st time in my life..........This Country is FUCKED !
 
william gaynor said:
I live in Ohio and I recently sold a shotgun to a guy in California. This was to be a simple transfer my FFl dealer to his. When I went to my dealer he said i don't ship out of state, and referred me to the largest dealer in the area, I went there and he said " We do not ship to California " So I hoped on the internet and got a list of all of the local FFLDealers. The next four refused to ship to CA, The fifth said OK but you will pay the price. Excuse me but where is "shall not be infriged "
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Federal regulations allow you to transfer the gun DIRECTLY to the buyers FFL dealer where he can then complete the transfer. https://www.atf.gov/file/58681/download
 
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$52 seems reasonable to me
FFLs must keep compliant with all regs, state or fed, to avoid possibly losing their license.

Remember: the Right to own and bear vs right to ship via interstate commerce is two different thing.
All of our Rights can and are regulated and controlled to a certain degree.
 
The receiver is what is regulated. It is considered a firearm just by itself. I believe you can ship the other parts without any issue.
 
Dave

There it is again. A green image. We have something going wrong with the image upload. Hmm, this is strange.

Eric

Edit: I checked some of the recently uploaded pictures and noticed some of the green ones were uploaded before the move to the new server and some afterwards. Further, I know one of mine displayed fine after I posted but turned green sometime after. So I think that rules out the image upload tool. But still, I can't think why an image would degrade. Very strange.

Edit again: Now this is VERY VERY weird. I just re-uploaded an image that turned green and it once again looked normal. Then I clicked on in a bunch of times and it kept getting worse and worse. This tells me the script is modifying the image every time it is viewed. I have no idea why but am looking into it.
 
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Mark W said:
Not suggesting any rules be broken here but just asking a question. Can you break the gun down and ship various parts of it to the buyer in different shipments so you are never shipping a whole gun? I believe I read at one time that shipping the serialized part might be treated differently than the rest of the gun.

Mark
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As far as the BATFE is concerned, the only part of the gun that's a gun is the serialized receiver. I can have any other part shipped to my door besides that.
 
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